Evaristo Salas Jr.

Did it start happening after he testified?

And then the prosecutor goes, oh, yeah, that's good.

And he goes, no, the judge stopped him, right?

He said, no, no, no, it didn't, because...

Apparently, for your own paperwork, he started months and years before he even testified that he already had these crimes.

So now you're telling me that he's telling a lie now?

And he goes, what about the judge?

He goes, did the judge believe the informant before?

And then the prosecutor goes, yes, he believed him before.

And he goes, no, no, no, hold up.

I'll tell you what the judge says.

The judge says, he goes, I don't know if he was telling the truth then and lying now or lying now and telling the truth then.

He goes, I don't know what the truth is.

And he goes to the prosecutor, he goes, you mean to tell me that we have somebody in prison for 25 years now?

and the judge doesn't even know what the truth is.

For me, that was encouraging because the judge prior to that, the one in Yakima County, it was like he didn't even hear us, like we weren't even there, and the prosecutor was pretty much sitting, you know, like he was so confident.

To me, it was encouraging because, like I said, these...

These questions doesn't necessarily mean that they're exciting, but at least... No, finally, they're at least challenging him.

Exactly.

And the other judge said it the way she said it.