Ezra Klein

But it's ours.

It's mine, right?

Although some people go to a divine place about it.

And so I think it's... You know, I'm just out there starting to talk about consciousness, and I'm like, I'm curious that people are so interested in consciousness.

Like, I didn't expect this when I started on this book.

Really?

Yeah, no, I didn't.

And it seemed like a very academic topic.

And I think two things have changed that.

One is the fact that

I think we feel our consciousnesses are just full of bullshit right now.

There's so much stuff we don't want to be thinking about that we're thinking about.

And you take phones away from kids and they're actually grateful, even once they get over the shock of living without a phone for a day or while they're in school.

Because our consciousness is...

under pressure from everyday life, capitalism, and the need to succeed financially.

We happen to have a president who intrudes on our consciousness for a lot more of the day than any of us have had experience before with previous presidents.

So I think there's some desire to get back to some more sovereignty around our consciousness.

And psychedelics are part of that too.

And there is also AI.

I say in the book, we're entering a Copernican moment, a possible redefinition of what it means to be human.