Ezra Klein

And that's why I really am glad Harvard did what it did. I really was disgusted by these universities with massive endowments bending the knee that easily, by these law firms, by these business leaders. who were so outspoken in Trump's first term and have just decided to buckle under in his second.

And that's why I really am glad Harvard did what it did. I really was disgusted by these universities with massive endowments bending the knee that easily, by these law firms, by these business leaders. who were so outspoken in Trump's first term and have just decided to buckle under in his second.

You know, Mark Zuckerberg is out there with Joe Rogan a couple months ago saying it's so time for Facebook to return to its roots around free expression. Is all this not a threat to free expression?

You know, Mark Zuckerberg is out there with Joe Rogan a couple months ago saying it's so time for Facebook to return to its roots around free expression. Is all this not a threat to free expression?

This thing where the kinds of people who work at Facebook can come back into the country on a green card, be pulled into a room and sent back out because somebody found something that was critical of Donald Trump on their phones. What is the free expression content of that policy? At what point is it imperative on these people who do have not just economic but cultural capital in this country –

This thing where the kinds of people who work at Facebook can come back into the country on a green card, be pulled into a room and sent back out because somebody found something that was critical of Donald Trump on their phones. What is the free expression content of that policy? At what point is it imperative on these people who do have not just economic but cultural capital in this country –

to speak about what's going on. I mean, that stuff matters. So the signals are sent and then they're heeded by other people. Everybody is a node for social contagion.

to speak about what's going on. I mean, that stuff matters. So the signals are sent and then they're heeded by other people. Everybody is a node for social contagion.

They've put a face on their own lawlessness.

They've put a face on their own lawlessness.

I think that's a place to end. Also, final question. What are three books you'd recommend to the audience?

I think that's a place to end. Also, final question. What are three books you'd recommend to the audience?

Asra Rangappa, thank you very much.

Asra Rangappa, thank you very much.

The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Aaron Reiklin-Melnick.

The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Aaron Reiklin-Melnick.

From New York Times Opinion, this is The Ezra Klein Show. Here's a simple principle that I believe deeply. You cannot make a good argument for a bad policy. You cannot make a coherent argument for an incoherent policy. You can imagine tariff regimes that are defensible. You can imagine critiques of the previous era of global trade that are coherent.

From New York Times Opinion, this is The Ezra Klein Show. Here's a simple principle that I believe deeply. You cannot make a good argument for a bad policy. You cannot make a coherent argument for an incoherent policy. You can imagine tariff regimes that are defensible. You can imagine critiques of the previous era of global trade that are coherent.

The problem is none of them fit what Trump is actually doing. It's darkly funny watching Trump's defenders pivot online from defending the morning's tariffs as necessary shock therapy for an economy that has been corrupted by decadence and greed, for an economy where we care about the markets but have abandoned the Midwest.

The problem is none of them fit what Trump is actually doing. It's darkly funny watching Trump's defenders pivot online from defending the morning's tariffs as necessary shock therapy for an economy that has been corrupted by decadence and greed, for an economy where we care about the markets but have abandoned the Midwest.