Ezra Klein
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I agree with that critique.
But this is so fucking warped where these people have ended up.
This is a terrible vision of what it means.
Forget to be a man.
It means to be an adult.
you know, class.
No big deal.
This is what I want to say about it, because this is where I think I actually feel very strongly about it.
I care about it because it is actually popular.
Not necessarily some of the individual people we're talking here, but Andrew Tate clips, Nick Fuentes clips, right?
These things are exerting a real cultural pull.
And it is self-help.
And it is self-help that has been cleaved from any kind of genuine pro-sociality.
It is self-deformation.
And that I think is really dangerous.
I see this in a weird way with clavicular, this look-maxer.
Here's somebody who is cleaved.
The desire to become maximally attractive from all the things that that desire is supposed to do for you.
He has talked about how it has made him infertile.