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Ezra Klein

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The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

I think it is going to be more evident in its upheaval of relationships before it transforms our economy. Because our economy has all kinds of friction in it. It's very hard to rebuild firms around AI. But what about when you can have any kind of digital friend you want? Or for that matter, digital lover.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

I think it is going to be more evident in its upheaval of relationships before it transforms our economy. Because our economy has all kinds of friction in it. It's very hard to rebuild firms around AI. But what about when you can have any kind of digital friend you want? Or for that matter, digital lover.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And that friend, that lover, there was a really good daily on this recently about AI sex bots. Yeah, I listened to that. That was great. The sound in that, though, was frightening to me. Because You got why the AI was a good partner.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And that friend, that lover, there was a really good daily on this recently about AI sex bots. Yeah, I listened to that. That was great. The sound in that, though, was frightening to me. Because You got why the AI was a good partner.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

More responsive than any man. And it is so much worse at doing that right now than it will be in two years. Yes, that's right. Like it is going to be so good. And it's going to endlessly adapt to what you want from it. That's right. And I think the friction of relationships between human beings is really, really important.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

More responsive than any man. And it is so much worse at doing that right now than it will be in two years. Yes, that's right. Like it is going to be so good. And it's going to endlessly adapt to what you want from it. That's right. And I think the friction of relationships between human beings is really, really important.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

It's good for me as a person that my wife just does not adapt herself into whatever I want her to say, right? It is part of being a healthy human being that other people... exists with friction to you. I was a very lonely kid. I did not have many friends. What if I'd had a lot of AI friends? And that began to pattern my expectations of other human beings.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

It's good for me as a person that my wife just does not adapt herself into whatever I want her to say, right? It is part of being a healthy human being that other people... exists with friction to you. I was a very lonely kid. I did not have many friends. What if I'd had a lot of AI friends? And that began to pattern my expectations of other human beings.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And then when they did not fulfill them, then that was a frustration to me. And it made my AI community that much more alluring. This scares the hell out of me. I'm not saying that on a 20-year time frame we won't adapt, but on a 5 or 10, we don't even know how to think about it.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And then when they did not fulfill them, then that was a frustration to me. And it made my AI community that much more alluring. This scares the hell out of me. I'm not saying that on a 20-year time frame we won't adapt, but on a 5 or 10, we don't even know how to think about it.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

As I alluded to, I was a pretty friendless kid. I had a lot of trouble socially. I would often have like one or two friends, but for a lot of my childhood, I alienated people. And I remember at one point, my mom saying she wanted to, this is kind of a sad story, but wanted to pay this nice older kid on the street to sort of watch me, but function to be my friend.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

As I alluded to, I was a pretty friendless kid. I had a lot of trouble socially. I would often have like one or two friends, but for a lot of my childhood, I alienated people. And I remember at one point, my mom saying she wanted to, this is kind of a sad story, but wanted to pay this nice older kid on the street to sort of watch me, but function to be my friend.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

I sort of had the embarrassment or the presence of mind to say no to that. Okay. I try to imagine, though... Mm-hmm. As I was like moving school to school to get away from bullying and was having that much trouble. My parents had no answers for me because they did not. Trying to keep that kid as that kid's parent from disappearing into the computer, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

I sort of had the embarrassment or the presence of mind to say no to that. Okay. I try to imagine, though... Mm-hmm. As I was like moving school to school to get away from bullying and was having that much trouble. My parents had no answers for me because they did not. Trying to keep that kid as that kid's parent from disappearing into the computer, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

Disappearing into this world where, well, somebody will be, something will be his friend, something will be his companion. And of course, what's going to be the thin edge of the wedge, right? is AI tutors, right? Which are gonna be very effective.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

Disappearing into this world where, well, somebody will be, something will be his friend, something will be his companion. And of course, what's going to be the thin edge of the wedge, right? is AI tutors, right? Which are gonna be very effective.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And are gonna be positive too. It's not that this technology will have no good adaptations. Even now, I sometimes use ChatGP with my kids and we sit together and we make up stories and it illustrates them, which is like a really fun thing to do. It's great.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And are gonna be positive too. It's not that this technology will have no good adaptations. Even now, I sometimes use ChatGP with my kids and we sit together and we make up stories and it illustrates them, which is like a really fun thing to do. It's great.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

It's all easy to sit here and say, well, I don't want my 13-year-old having a sex bot or an array of sex bots in their pocket, but it's not going to come in like that. Much in the way that the internet came in more benignly before it got jacked up to 11. It'll come in... For kids who are having a lot more trouble socially, but now there's somebody for them to talk to.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

It's all easy to sit here and say, well, I don't want my 13-year-old having a sex bot or an array of sex bots in their pocket, but it's not going to come in like that. Much in the way that the internet came in more benignly before it got jacked up to 11. It'll come in... For kids who are having a lot more trouble socially, but now there's somebody for them to talk to.