Ezra Klein

It is built on the interest of the consumer.

And if you're an adult and you're making a decision that's not hurting anybody else, who are we to tell you you're doing something wrong?

And I think it is a truck that the algorithmic media giants have driven their products through.

And I think in religious communities, you still have more of a framework for talking about human flourishing that does not require a market justification, that does not need to prove that it'll reduce your income in 10 years to say, this is not a good way for human beings

So when you say the fundamental question of AI is what does it mean to be a human being?

I think that's right.

So I am curious what your intuitions about this are as somebody running for a position of power where you would have a hand on levers the rest of us don't.

I don't want to take away from the importance of that, but that's not going to come fast enough.

It's not.

If your answer to what are we going to do for kids in AI is we need to rebuild civic and institutional and religious life.

I mean, it's hitting faster than that.

I mean, maybe that would be good, but like my question is more along the lines of does believing that human beings should be formed by other human beings, which is something I believe.

mean we should do something more like Australia, which just implemented its ban on social media for kids under 16, just flat banned.

I think one of the paradoxes of you is

is that you have such a searing and I think morally righteous critique of this algorithmic rage economy.

And you're an absolute victor of it.

I'm a money changer.

I'm not calling you a money changer.

But, you know, you're on Rogan.

Because you are very good at these viral videos.