Ezra Klein

And then the handover to Harris was a very difficult handover to a candidate who didn't go through any kind of selection process for the moment in which he was running. We'll see what they do in 2028. But the consequences of what they did in 2024 have been severe.

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I don't think I know how you get AOC herself to do it. I would not pretend to know her offices or her particular views on this. I do think, though, that You can see different Democrats taking on different kinds of risks. Right now, we're sort of in the age of Gavin Newsom starting a podcast.

I don't think I know how you get AOC herself to do it. I would not pretend to know her offices or her particular views on this. I do think, though, that You can see different Democrats taking on different kinds of risks. Right now, we're sort of in the age of Gavin Newsom starting a podcast.

I don't think I know how you get AOC herself to do it. I would not pretend to know her offices or her particular views on this. I do think, though, that You can see different Democrats taking on different kinds of risks. Right now, we're sort of in the age of Gavin Newsom starting a podcast.

I mean, Gavin Newsom is the governor of California, and he's spending some percentage of his time doing a podcast with Charlie Cook and Michael Savage and Steve Bannon. Gavin Newsom realizes that one lane for a Democrat is to be high risk and talking to virtually everybody. I think Pete Buttigieg, in a different way, is somebody who wants to take media risks.

I mean, Gavin Newsom is the governor of California, and he's spending some percentage of his time doing a podcast with Charlie Cook and Michael Savage and Steve Bannon. Gavin Newsom realizes that one lane for a Democrat is to be high risk and talking to virtually everybody. I think Pete Buttigieg, in a different way, is somebody who wants to take media risks.

I mean, Gavin Newsom is the governor of California, and he's spending some percentage of his time doing a podcast with Charlie Cook and Michael Savage and Steve Bannon. Gavin Newsom realizes that one lane for a Democrat is to be high risk and talking to virtually everybody. I think Pete Buttigieg, in a different way, is somebody who wants to take media risks.

Now, I think he's going to my gut on him is he's going to hold his powder a little bit. So he'll probably want to do the Lex Frubin podcast, assuming he runs in twenty twenty eight in twenty twenty seven. Right. I think a lot of them are trying to figure out what is the lane for right now. And there's a lane for the next two years and there's a lane for the two years after that.

Now, I think he's going to my gut on him is he's going to hold his powder a little bit. So he'll probably want to do the Lex Frubin podcast, assuming he runs in twenty twenty eight in twenty twenty seven. Right. I think a lot of them are trying to figure out what is the lane for right now. And there's a lane for the next two years and there's a lane for the two years after that.

Now, I think he's going to my gut on him is he's going to hold his powder a little bit. So he'll probably want to do the Lex Frubin podcast, assuming he runs in twenty twenty eight in twenty twenty seven. Right. I think a lot of them are trying to figure out what is the lane for right now. And there's a lane for the next two years and there's a lane for the two years after that.

And you're going to see a lot of people begin to blanket media in the two years after that. Now, it'd be interesting. I would be curious, too. Would Hakeem Jeffries come on to your show right now? That'd be interesting. I mean, would he do it for four hours? I don't know. The four-hour ask, the three- to four-hour ask, as somebody who also books politicians, is hard. I have trouble.

And you're going to see a lot of people begin to blanket media in the two years after that. Now, it'd be interesting. I would be curious, too. Would Hakeem Jeffries come on to your show right now? That'd be interesting. I mean, would he do it for four hours? I don't know. The four-hour ask, the three- to four-hour ask, as somebody who also books politicians, is hard. I have trouble.

And you're going to see a lot of people begin to blanket media in the two years after that. Now, it'd be interesting. I would be curious, too. Would Hakeem Jeffries come on to your show right now? That'd be interesting. I mean, would he do it for four hours? I don't know. The four-hour ask, the three- to four-hour ask, as somebody who also books politicians, is hard. I have trouble.

I like to book people for 90 minutes to two hours. And I tend to get negotiated down to, I try not to go under 75 or 65. But even as somebody, I think, well-regarded in that world, You know, it's very, very, very hard for me to get politicians to sit for two hours.

I like to book people for 90 minutes to two hours. And I tend to get negotiated down to, I try not to go under 75 or 65. But even as somebody, I think, well-regarded in that world, You know, it's very, very, very hard for me to get politicians to sit for two hours.

I like to book people for 90 minutes to two hours. And I tend to get negotiated down to, I try not to go under 75 or 65. But even as somebody, I think, well-regarded in that world, You know, it's very, very, very hard for me to get politicians to sit for two hours.

I just think they're used to something else, right? They are scheduled by schedulers, right? If you talk to them yourself, if you end up having a personal relationship with Wes Moore of Maryland, and he wants to do your show. He will tell his scheduler, I want three to four hours to do the show.