Ezra Klein

That what I'd like to be able to do is feel different things at the same time. I find that very hard to do. I'm curious if writing this book or going through that experience or reflecting on this the way you have has made that easier, made your sense of feeling more capacious.

That what I'd like to be able to do is feel different things at the same time. I find that very hard to do. I'm curious if writing this book or going through that experience or reflecting on this the way you have has made that easier, made your sense of feeling more capacious.

Well, then let's end on a point of word nerdery. I learned something from your book that I didn't know, which is that the English alphabet... used to end with the symbol for and. I was really surprised to learn that.

Well, then let's end on a point of word nerdery. I learned something from your book that I didn't know, which is that the English alphabet... used to end with the symbol for and. I was really surprised to learn that.

But why was it part of the alphabet? We don't spell words with the and sign.

But why was it part of the alphabet? We don't spell words with the and sign.

As a metaphor for what you're working with in your book and what a lot of us are working with in our lives, it struck me as quite moving.

As a metaphor for what you're working with in your book and what a lot of us are working with in our lives, it struck me as quite moving.

And always our final question. What are three books you'd recommend to the audience?

And always our final question. What are three books you'd recommend to the audience?

Katherine Schultz, thank you very much.

Katherine Schultz, thank you very much.

This episode of The Ezra Klein Show is produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Gelb, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show's production team also includes Marie Cassione, Roland Hu, Elias Isquith, Marina King, Jan Kobel, Kristen Lin, and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker.

This episode of The Ezra Klein Show is produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Gelb, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show's production team also includes Marie Cassione, Roland Hu, Elias Isquith, Marina King, Jan Kobel, Kristen Lin, and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker.

Audience strategy by Christina Samielewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Talbot County Free Library.

Audience strategy by Christina Samielewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Talbot County Free Library.

A question we talk about a lot amongst ourselves on the show right now is what timeline are we in and how will we know? Are we watching the fundamental erosion of American democracy, of its liberties, of its safeguards? Are we on a path that is quickly becoming irreversible? Or are we in the timeline where the Trump administration is doing a lot and

A question we talk about a lot amongst ourselves on the show right now is what timeline are we in and how will we know? Are we watching the fundamental erosion of American democracy, of its liberties, of its safeguards? Are we on a path that is quickly becoming irreversible? Or are we in the timeline where the Trump administration is doing a lot and

where it is trying to arrogate new powers to itself. But to the extent it has a fundamental plan to reformat the way the American political system works, that it's simply running into too much opposition, and it has too little power to succeed. Two pieces recently came out that I thought created an interesting tension and interesting ways to look at this.

where it is trying to arrogate new powers to itself. But to the extent it has a fundamental plan to reformat the way the American political system works, that it's simply running into too much opposition, and it has too little power to succeed. Two pieces recently came out that I thought created an interesting tension and interesting ways to look at this.