Ezra Klein

And I'll ask a sort of fun version of this, but then I want to ask a general version of this, which is, what was your view of the spate of UFO news coming out of particularly the US government over the last year that got a ton of attention? Then everybody just sort of moved on after a report came out saying, we don't know what to make of any of this.

And I'll ask a sort of fun version of this, but then I want to ask a general version of this, which is, what was your view of the spate of UFO news coming out of particularly the US government over the last year that got a ton of attention? Then everybody just sort of moved on after a report came out saying, we don't know what to make of any of this.

Perhaps that's the disadvantage of being a creature that thinks stories.

Perhaps that's the disadvantage of being a creature that thinks stories.

What do you think are the stories that are obviously there that will be things that shape our coming decades and that we're not paying attention to? And I want to put out here things that maybe we're not doing enough on, like climate crisis, but we are paying more attention to, or authoritarianism.

What do you think are the stories that are obviously there that will be things that shape our coming decades and that we're not paying attention to? And I want to put out here things that maybe we're not doing enough on, like climate crisis, but we are paying more attention to, or authoritarianism.

What are the things that really don't get discussed, even though they seem to you like they are fundamental?

What are the things that really don't get discussed, even though they seem to you like they are fundamental?

I like that answer quite a bit. We always end the show on book recommendations. And because you've also done a wonderful number of children's books and even graphic novels, I'm going to ask it to you a little bit different.

I like that answer quite a bit. We always end the show on book recommendations. And because you've also done a wonderful number of children's books and even graphic novels, I'm going to ask it to you a little bit different.

What are two books you'd recommend to the audience for adults? And what are two children's books you'd recommend?

What are two books you'd recommend to the audience for adults? And what are two children's books you'd recommend?

Yeah, that often seems to be a secret of highly solidarity-oriented societies.

Yeah, that often seems to be a secret of highly solidarity-oriented societies.

That's true, too. How about children's books? Are there two children's books that you've just loved over the years?

That's true, too. How about children's books? Are there two children's books that you've just loved over the years?

Margaret Atwood, your new book is Burning Questions. What a pleasure. Thank you so much.

Margaret Atwood, your new book is Burning Questions. What a pleasure. Thank you so much.

Thank you. The Ezra Klein Show is a production of New York Times Opinion. It is produced by Roger Karma, Annie Galvin, and Jeff Geld. Fact-checked by Michelle Harris, Kate Sinclair, and Mary Marge Locker. Original music is by Isaac Jones and mixing by Jeff Geld. Our executive producer is Irene Noguchi. Special thanks to Shannon Busta, Christine Samuluski, Coral Ann Howells, and Brooks Busem.

Thank you. The Ezra Klein Show is a production of New York Times Opinion. It is produced by Roger Karma, Annie Galvin, and Jeff Geld. Fact-checked by Michelle Harris, Kate Sinclair, and Mary Marge Locker. Original music is by Isaac Jones and mixing by Jeff Geld. Our executive producer is Irene Noguchi. Special thanks to Shannon Busta, Christine Samuluski, Coral Ann Howells, and Brooks Busem.