Ezra Klein

You go back a couple of decades in American politics, and it is extremely common to have members of the House who represent a district that was won at the presidential level by the other party. But year by year, election by election, it's becoming a lot less common. At this point, only a handful of Democrats represent districts that Donald Trump won.

You go back a couple of decades in American politics, and it is extremely common to have members of the House who represent a district that was won at the presidential level by the other party. But year by year, election by election, it's becoming a lot less common. At this point, only a handful of Democrats represent districts that Donald Trump won.

But one of them is Marie Glusenkamp-Perez from Washington's 3rd District. And Glusenkamp-Perez doesn't sound like other Democrats. She's a pretty different economic philosophy they do, one built around the right to repair, built around, I would say, a moral critique.

But one of them is Marie Glusenkamp-Perez from Washington's 3rd District. And Glusenkamp-Perez doesn't sound like other Democrats. She's a pretty different economic philosophy they do, one built around the right to repair, built around, I would say, a moral critique.

of what our economics has come to look like, who we value, what we value, the way we have lost respect for those who work with our hands, and the economy has become profoundly imbalanced towards a consumerism away from a producerism, which makes it particularly interesting in this moment. Because all of a sudden,

of what our economics has come to look like, who we value, what we value, the way we have lost respect for those who work with our hands, and the economy has become profoundly imbalanced towards a consumerism away from a producerism, which makes it particularly interesting in this moment. Because all of a sudden,

People in the Trump administration began saying kind of similar things, that we should be making so much more at home, that we're addicted to cheap stuff from abroad, that we're on a sugar-high economy, that we need to detox.

People in the Trump administration began saying kind of similar things, that we should be making so much more at home, that we're addicted to cheap stuff from abroad, that we're on a sugar-high economy, that we need to detox.

The market and the economy have just become hooked. We've become addicted to this government spending, and there's going to be a detox period.

The market and the economy have just become hooked. We've become addicted to this government spending, and there's going to be a detox period.

For a lot of Democrats, this is a pretty easy moment in economic policy for them. The tariffs are causing all this upheaval. Donald Trump is less popular than he was when he was elected by a lot. Simply opposing him is enough. But if you're someone like Lucincap Perez and your marginal voter is a Trump voter... Well, how does this look to you? How has it changed your politics?

For a lot of Democrats, this is a pretty easy moment in economic policy for them. The tariffs are causing all this upheaval. Donald Trump is less popular than he was when he was elected by a lot. Simply opposing him is enough. But if you're someone like Lucincap Perez and your marginal voter is a Trump voter... Well, how does this look to you? How has it changed your politics?

I was curious to see how she was absorbing it. Things have gone a little bit weirder in her district. There have been some very raucous town halls. So how is she thinking about what Donald Trump represents and the broader economic arguments she's been making as the politics of this begin to come into direct conflict with reality? As always, my email is reclineshow at nytimes.com.

I was curious to see how she was absorbing it. Things have gone a little bit weirder in her district. There have been some very raucous town halls. So how is she thinking about what Donald Trump represents and the broader economic arguments she's been making as the politics of this begin to come into direct conflict with reality? As always, my email is reclineshow at nytimes.com.

Congresswoman Marie Glusenkamp-Perez, welcome to the show.

Congresswoman Marie Glusenkamp-Perez, welcome to the show.

So I wanted to start with a clip of President Donald Trump from Wednesday talking about China and his tariffs.

So I wanted to start with a clip of President Donald Trump from Wednesday talking about China and his tariffs.

It's one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you about the tariffs, because in a way, members of the Trump administration have moved to making a critique that I think of as something that you've argued at times and that many people argue, which is that over decades, we became somewhat addicted to cheap stuff from China, that we lost values that we should have had in terms of what we want in the economy.

It's one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you about the tariffs, because in a way, members of the Trump administration have moved to making a critique that I think of as something that you've argued at times and that many people argue, which is that over decades, we became somewhat addicted to cheap stuff from China, that we lost values that we should have had in terms of what we want in the economy.