Ezra Klein

I mean, the way I often put it to people when I've heard the argument, look, we should be worrying about, you know, the people next door, not, you know, people being shipped off to El Salvador in prisons. Is it, I don't know, when, like, I'm Jewish, and I think I bring my own kind of assumptions to this conversation, but...

I mean, the way I often put it to people when I've heard the argument, look, we should be worrying about, you know, the people next door, not, you know, people being shipped off to El Salvador in prisons. Is it, I don't know, when, like, I'm Jewish, and I think I bring my own kind of assumptions to this conversation, but...

I look at history and I look at other countries and I feel like when the disappearance machine begins running, if people don't stop it, it can start going really far. Like if regimes begin to realize they can use disappearance as a tool, who that eventually comes for is not clear.

I look at history and I look at other countries and I feel like when the disappearance machine begins running, if people don't stop it, it can start going really far. Like if regimes begin to realize they can use disappearance as a tool, who that eventually comes for is not clear.

So, I mean, I was asking you sort of about common ground among your constituents and what you sort of said is like, look, a lot of these people are sort of maybe sympathizing or empathizing with the wrong folks.

So, I mean, I was asking you sort of about common ground among your constituents and what you sort of said is like, look, a lot of these people are sort of maybe sympathizing or empathizing with the wrong folks.

But, I mean, is there a part of you that takes the other side of that argument that feels that Trump is trying to really fundamentally change the character of this country and its institutions and how it works and the people who are scared as shit and like don't know what to do because they don't really have any power over it?

But, I mean, is there a part of you that takes the other side of that argument that feels that Trump is trying to really fundamentally change the character of this country and its institutions and how it works and the people who are scared as shit and like don't know what to do because they don't really have any power over it?

and they don't know how to get listened to, that there's a righteousness to the way they feel too?

and they don't know how to get listened to, that there's a righteousness to the way they feel too?

This has been, to me, one of the very frustrating things about the Trump administration. I also hate gangs. I don't want MS-13 operating in America. I don't want them operating anywhere. But we have due process. That's a good way to find out if people are part of MS-13. I find sometimes it's like a political blackmail that's applied.

This has been, to me, one of the very frustrating things about the Trump administration. I also hate gangs. I don't want MS-13 operating in America. I don't want them operating anywhere. But we have due process. That's a good way to find out if people are part of MS-13. I find sometimes it's like a political blackmail that's applied.

It's like—and I'm not saying you are, but I've seen—I've heard this from other people where, like— is your politics really to be on the side of people who might be in a gang? It's like, no. My politics is to be on the side of processes that protect everyone and also are perfectly good at figuring out if people are in a gang. We can cross-examine some witnesses, right?

It's like—and I'm not saying you are, but I've seen—I've heard this from other people where, like— is your politics really to be on the side of people who might be in a gang? It's like, no. My politics is to be on the side of processes that protect everyone and also are perfectly good at figuring out if people are in a gang. We can cross-examine some witnesses, right?

This is not like a thing that's going to endanger anybody. So when you're dealing with some of those issues, it's become the cleavages. I mean, for you, is it reminding people that due process is a question that goes across the immigration divide? What do you find works for navigating that?

This is not like a thing that's going to endanger anybody. So when you're dealing with some of those issues, it's become the cleavages. I mean, for you, is it reminding people that due process is a question that goes across the immigration divide? What do you find works for navigating that?

Do you feel that there are fentanyl policies that we know how to do that really work. Every time I've really tried to write or report this out, the level of frustration I hear from the people really working on it is, it's almost unimaginable because it is so hard. It is so concentrated. It has become so much easier than heroin was before it to transport.

Do you feel that there are fentanyl policies that we know how to do that really work. Every time I've really tried to write or report this out, the level of frustration I hear from the people really working on it is, it's almost unimaginable because it is so hard. It is so concentrated. It has become so much easier than heroin was before it to transport.

Is there something you feel that if we did, it would make a big difference that we're not doing right now that neither Biden or Trump has put their weight behind?

Is there something you feel that if we did, it would make a big difference that we're not doing right now that neither Biden or Trump has put their weight behind?