Ezra Klein

I guess I wonder if deleting the proper nouns from that can actually mislead. I think if you had gone from the Clinton email security fights in 2015, I guess it was, to where we are now with... Digital security under the Trump administration and the accessing of all these internal government databases and doing war plans on messaging apps. I don't think that's going to be a consistent line.

I guess I wonder if deleting the proper nouns from that can actually mislead. I think if you had gone from the Clinton email security fights in 2015, I guess it was, to where we are now with... Digital security under the Trump administration and the accessing of all these internal government databases and doing war plans on messaging apps. I don't think that's going to be a consistent line.

I think that's just partisanship reshaping people's brains.

I think that's just partisanship reshaping people's brains.

I agree with you on that. The Hunter Biden story, I have such, I think I'm scarred by past email security debates. But I think that's why I was asking about this moment with the economy because, look, so much in politics has no visible ground truth to people. We're arguing about these bizarre complex systems that are far away or stories we don't really know. What's ground truth?

I agree with you on that. The Hunter Biden story, I have such, I think I'm scarred by past email security debates. But I think that's why I was asking about this moment with the economy because, look, so much in politics has no visible ground truth to people. We're arguing about these bizarre complex systems that are far away or stories we don't really know. What's ground truth?

That you can't go and you can't feel it around you.

That you can't go and you can't feel it around you.

And... That's why I'm sort of interested in some of the debates about the economy, because I do think people have common ground in the economy. They might want a lot of things all at once, but they want, I think, a lot of what you're describing. They want to be able to have a good job. They want to have autonomy in that job. They want their children to be able to do well.

And... That's why I'm sort of interested in some of the debates about the economy, because I do think people have common ground in the economy. They might want a lot of things all at once, but they want, I think, a lot of what you're describing. They want to be able to have a good job. They want to have autonomy in that job. They want their children to be able to do well.

They want things to be affordable in the store and also for them to have good wages and for the factories to be open and the goods, but also to be plentiful. And so I guess one question I've had is that do you feel people shifting in one direction or another? Like, are things splitting apart for you in your district?

They want things to be affordable in the store and also for them to have good wages and for the factories to be open and the goods, but also to be plentiful. And so I guess one question I've had is that do you feel people shifting in one direction or another? Like, are things splitting apart for you in your district?

Or are they actually, as this becomes something real, you know, and people either worry about the tariffs or get excited about the tariffs, does it become more of one thing that you can work with and that you know its contours?

Or are they actually, as this becomes something real, you know, and people either worry about the tariffs or get excited about the tariffs, does it become more of one thing that you can work with and that you know its contours?

What do you tell people works within community, within that kind of local democracy? I heard something said at a town hall was that, quote, being angry, being loud feels good. But is it productive? My assumption is you feel it's not productive. So what to you is productive?

What do you tell people works within community, within that kind of local democracy? I heard something said at a town hall was that, quote, being angry, being loud feels good. But is it productive? My assumption is you feel it's not productive. So what to you is productive?

Let me ask you something. Sometimes I hear you say things and you seem really frustrated with, I think it's Democrats specifically. I mean, I take the point that sometimes it can be easier to empathize with, you know, I think you're saying sort of like a panda rolled away than the person right next to you.

Let me ask you something. Sometimes I hear you say things and you seem really frustrated with, I think it's Democrats specifically. I mean, I take the point that sometimes it can be easier to empathize with, you know, I think you're saying sort of like a panda rolled away than the person right next to you.

You know, we're disappearing people at El Salvador in terrorist prisons with no due process. Like, the tariffs will hurt a lot of these people, the same people you're talking about. I would not say the Trump administration has been, like, amazing on fentanyl or even strategic about it, more to the point. And there's a lot of, I think that there is a lot of fear.

You know, we're disappearing people at El Salvador in terrorist prisons with no due process. Like, the tariffs will hurt a lot of these people, the same people you're talking about. I would not say the Trump administration has been, like, amazing on fentanyl or even strategic about it, more to the point. And there's a lot of, I think that there is a lot of fear.