Ezra Klein

It doesn't take away from the question, you know, of a million things we could do to weatherize homes and make homes more efficient. But if we want to make it here... If we sort of want these cars that people buy and we expect on the margin, there's going to be a decision people make between combustion engines and electric wheels. We want them to be electric.

It doesn't take away from the question, you know, of a million things we could do to weatherize homes and make homes more efficient. But if we want to make it here... If we sort of want these cars that people buy and we expect on the margin, there's going to be a decision people make between combustion engines and electric wheels. We want them to be electric.

And we want to accelerate this technology so it gets cheaper more quickly. So it's not a decision only richer people can make. That's sort of how I map that policy out in my mind. What's sort of wrong with that logic to you?

And we want to accelerate this technology so it gets cheaper more quickly. So it's not a decision only richer people can make. That's sort of how I map that policy out in my mind. What's sort of wrong with that logic to you?

But most people do eventually. I mean, that's not a rare thing in this country for people to buy new cars.

But most people do eventually. I mean, that's not a rare thing in this country for people to buy new cars.

Tell me about some of the divisions over sort of these ideas or Trump in your district right now. You've had some very raucous town halls recently, and you've got these voters who are both the voters that Democrats win reliably and the voters that Republicans win reliably. Like you have a like a very you have a bigger coalition and a more complicated coalition behind you than most Democrats have.

Tell me about some of the divisions over sort of these ideas or Trump in your district right now. You've had some very raucous town halls recently, and you've got these voters who are both the voters that Democrats win reliably and the voters that Republicans win reliably. Like you have a like a very you have a bigger coalition and a more complicated coalition behind you than most Democrats have.

And you have urban and rural voters in your district. So how are the different constituents you come into contact with experiencing this moment differently?

And you have urban and rural voters in your district. So how are the different constituents you come into contact with experiencing this moment differently?

I mean, your position now is tricky. It's like there are a lot of Democrats who their marginal voter right now is absolutely furious. Their marginal voter is a Democrat, is somebody who might read the New York Times or listen to my podcast. And they just hate Trump. They hate what's going on. They don't see any good in it.

I mean, your position now is tricky. It's like there are a lot of Democrats who their marginal voter right now is absolutely furious. Their marginal voter is a Democrat, is somebody who might read the New York Times or listen to my podcast. And they just hate Trump. They hate what's going on. They don't see any good in it.

And all that person has to do is show up and tell them how bad everything is, and they're good. And your marginal voter is somebody who is at least open to this. Your marginal vote is somebody who maybe voted for Donald Trump. Who definitely voted for Donald Trump. Who definitely voted for Donald Trump. So put aside the people paid to talk to you, right?

And all that person has to do is show up and tell them how bad everything is, and they're good. And your marginal voter is somebody who is at least open to this. Your marginal vote is somebody who maybe voted for Donald Trump. Who definitely voted for Donald Trump. Who definitely voted for Donald Trump. So put aside the people paid to talk to you, right?

I agree that the lobbyist and the government affairs class are different. How are the two sides of the people who just vote for you, where do they diverge and where in your experience of your own constituency do they converge?

I agree that the lobbyist and the government affairs class are different. How are the two sides of the people who just vote for you, where do they diverge and where in your experience of your own constituency do they converge?

I mean, I take your point that there are people all over the spectrum, because they're right, this is true, who see a judicial system that works for some people very differently than it works for others, right? But you've got Donald Trump offering out pardons left and right. He is making God knows how much money off of what certainly seemed to me to be incredibly corrupt crypto schemes.

I mean, I take your point that there are people all over the spectrum, because they're right, this is true, who see a judicial system that works for some people very differently than it works for others, right? But you've got Donald Trump offering out pardons left and right. He is making God knows how much money off of what certainly seemed to me to be incredibly corrupt crypto schemes.

I wrote a book about political polarization. To me, some of this just reflects very different news sources and the tendency we all have to believe that the people on the other team are fundamentally corrupt, even evil. And the people on our team, it's understandable. These are old relationships. Maybe it's not as bad as you think.

I wrote a book about political polarization. To me, some of this just reflects very different news sources and the tendency we all have to believe that the people on the other team are fundamentally corrupt, even evil. And the people on our team, it's understandable. These are old relationships. Maybe it's not as bad as you think.