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Ezra Klein

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13727 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Then I was meditating for hours at a time.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

It was very interesting because life became like a meditation.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

In fact, I had more profound meditations doing chores, chopping wood and sweeping out my little cave than I did when I was sitting on the platform.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

It shifted my thinking about consciousness in this way.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I had gotten caught in this frame, very Western, very male, of problem, solution.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Hard problem of consciousness, solution.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And I had trained my attention.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I had narrowed, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I had a focus on that question for five years of really struggling to understand this.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And I suddenly realized, well, there is the problem of attention, but there's also the fact of it.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And the fact of it is so marvelous and so astonishing and mysterious.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And why aren't I paying more attention to that?

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Why aren't I being more present?

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

One night I woke up in the middle of the night to go out to pee and there is, it's a new moon and there's no light pollution at all.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And the stars, this vault of stars is more numerous and more gorgeous than it's ever been, but it's not out there.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

It's reaching all the way down to me here that we occupy the same space, the same intergalactic blanket.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And it was such a, all my kind of learned ways of looking at the starry sky, you know, we all have these predictions, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

The brain is a prediction machine.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

All the concepts and the frames just went away.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And it was just kind of like me, stars, space.