Ezra Klein

You can't possibly, and we were in a way talking about this with Donald Trump, that the sort of unfolding of things will always be so far beyond the human mind, that the idea that you have like poked out a contradiction is a little bit ridiculous. I actually agree with that.

You can't possibly, and we were in a way talking about this with Donald Trump, that the sort of unfolding of things will always be so far beyond the human mind, that the idea that you have like poked out a contradiction is a little bit ridiculous. I actually agree with that.

But then I think that when it comes to the organized religions, you say a few times that you sort of just have trouble believing a providential God would allow these religions that are wrong, that are wayward, to expand and thrive in the way that they have. And I think an intuition that people like me have is that it is hard to say that some things can be

But then I think that when it comes to the organized religions, you say a few times that you sort of just have trouble believing a providential God would allow these religions that are wrong, that are wayward, to expand and thrive in the way that they have. And I think an intuition that people like me have is that it is hard to say that some things can be

resolved by, well, a God who is good would not allow X to happen. And some things have to be resolved with, you can't possibly understand why God is allowing X to happen or Y to happen. And so questioning it or being unwilling to take this on faith is unreasonable.

resolved by, well, a God who is good would not allow X to happen. And some things have to be resolved with, you can't possibly understand why God is allowing X to happen or Y to happen. And so questioning it or being unwilling to take this on faith is unreasonable.

As I so often do, I want to go back to fairies. Please.

As I so often do, I want to go back to fairies. Please.

The good people, which actually I will admit I am unfamiliar here and did not know that.

The good people, which actually I will admit I am unfamiliar here and did not know that.

Well, actually, this is exactly what I'm about to say, what just happened. which depending on whether or not you believe in the good people, I guess, which is that one of your other arguments is that if you come to the view that the world has supernatural or extra human forces, intelligences, agents, et cetera, right?

Well, actually, this is exactly what I'm about to say, what just happened. which depending on whether or not you believe in the good people, I guess, which is that one of your other arguments is that if you come to the view that the world has supernatural or extra human forces, intelligences, agents, et cetera, right?

If you're, if you are a seeker of that sort, that one thing the major religions have, which is, I think it's fair to say has been largely downplayed in a lot of modern society is is actually a belief about those dangers and arguably experience with those questions, including maybe what to call and not call the good people.

If you're, if you are a seeker of that sort, that one thing the major religions have, which is, I think it's fair to say has been largely downplayed in a lot of modern society is is actually a belief about those dangers and arguably experience with those questions, including maybe what to call and not call the good people.

And one of your arguments here is that there is more spiritual danger once you accept some of these premises, right? than people often give credit to. That it's not just about belief or unbelief, it's about the possibility of falling into the wrong beliefs, of listening to the wrong voices, of following the tricksters, of following more demonic forces.

And one of your arguments here is that there is more spiritual danger once you accept some of these premises, right? than people often give credit to. That it's not just about belief or unbelief, it's about the possibility of falling into the wrong beliefs, of listening to the wrong voices, of following the tricksters, of following more demonic forces.

And one thing you appreciate about Catholicism is a little bit more openness to that world of forces. I just found that interesting. I always find your kind of openness to the occult to be, I don't know.

And one thing you appreciate about Catholicism is a little bit more openness to that world of forces. I just found that interesting. I always find your kind of openness to the occult to be, I don't know.

Why 100%?

Why 100%?