Ezra Klein

And what they do in finance is they make markets and they look for market irregularities or inconsistencies.

They look for where one side needs to be matched up to another.

And I think you have to see money fundamentally at the source of his power.

It is how he pays for and pays off women and girls.

It's how he impresses contacts, particularly early on.

And one thing he understands really well is money is a signal.

He's got the largest private house in Manhattan.

He's got an island.

He's got a jet.

So if he's got all that, how can he not be a success?

How can he not be brilliant?

My colleagues on the news side, they did this amazing piece, I'll put it in show notes, about Epstein's relationship with JPMorgan Chase, which was his bank for a long time when he was coming up.

And particularly with Jess Staley, who was very high up at the bank.

Tell me a bit about the Epstein-Staley relationship.

And he does.

So Staley invests in a hedge fund that he's connected to through Epstein, not Staley personally, but through J.P.

Morgan.

And it becomes, and Staley says this later, the investment that fundamentally makes his career because it opens that world to J.P.

Morgan and it's considered a brilliant move.

Epstein introduces him to Sergey Brin.