Ezra Klein

Here's somebody who is cleaved.

The desire to become maximally attractive from all the things that that desire is supposed to do for you.

Right.

He has talked about how it has made him infertile.

He has talked about how he couldn't possibly have a girlfriend because of the lifestyle he now leads.

He – it's like we have taken the urge and severed it from the purpose.

And so we have turned it pathological.

Like, I watch him.

I don't think what he's doing is good for him.

I don't think it's what attractiveness means.

And I worry about –

all these young boys who are now growing up in an online environment where they're being told this is what it means to be attractive.

I don't think this is what women find attractive, but it's cleaved off from all these other things that make somebody a compelling person, their warmth, their imperfections also.

And I'm also, I will say this, that I think that the idea that liberalism broadly had so little value to say about what it meant to be a man or a boy for so long.

And we created this sort of social media world and often partnered with the people running it.

Mark Zuckerberg, a liberal in good standing for many years, and abandoned kids into this farm of extremism.

And they just created a space where any of this could thrive, where there wasn't a better competitor to it.

And there's a lot going on in society.

None of it's monocausal.

But I really worry about this world in which this is what is passing for self-help, because I think if you followed it,