Ezra Klein

As I so often do, I want to go back to fairies. Please.

As I so often do, I want to go back to fairies. Please.

The good people, which actually I will admit I am unfamiliar here and did not know that.

The good people, which actually I will admit I am unfamiliar here and did not know that.

Well, actually, this is exactly what I'm about to say, what just happened. which depending on whether or not you believe in the good people, I guess, which is that one of your other arguments is that if you come to the view that the world has supernatural or extra human forces, intelligences, agents, et cetera, right?

Well, actually, this is exactly what I'm about to say, what just happened. which depending on whether or not you believe in the good people, I guess, which is that one of your other arguments is that if you come to the view that the world has supernatural or extra human forces, intelligences, agents, et cetera, right?

If you're, if you are a seeker of that sort, that one thing the major religions have, which is, I think it's fair to say has been largely downplayed in a lot of modern society is is actually a belief about those dangers and arguably experience with those questions, including maybe what to call and not call the good people.

If you're, if you are a seeker of that sort, that one thing the major religions have, which is, I think it's fair to say has been largely downplayed in a lot of modern society is is actually a belief about those dangers and arguably experience with those questions, including maybe what to call and not call the good people.

And one of your arguments here is that there is more spiritual danger once you accept some of these premises, right? than people often give credit to. That it's not just about belief or unbelief, it's about the possibility of falling into the wrong beliefs, of listening to the wrong voices, of following the tricksters, of following more demonic forces.

And one of your arguments here is that there is more spiritual danger once you accept some of these premises, right? than people often give credit to. That it's not just about belief or unbelief, it's about the possibility of falling into the wrong beliefs, of listening to the wrong voices, of following the tricksters, of following more demonic forces.

And one thing you appreciate about Catholicism is a little bit more openness to that world of forces. I just found that interesting. I always find your kind of openness to the occult to be, I don't know.

And one thing you appreciate about Catholicism is a little bit more openness to that world of forces. I just found that interesting. I always find your kind of openness to the occult to be, I don't know.

Why 100%?

Why 100%?

Tell me about your views on psychedelics.

Tell me about your views on psychedelics.

Could be all kinds of things. I will say without going into any detail that I had once... An incredibly profound and mystical experience that was, to my genuine shock, completely Jewish in nature and not from a side of Judaism that is a side that I had been brought up in and that I've never been able to shake and that has made me much more open to my own tradition than I would have thought. Okay.

Could be all kinds of things. I will say without going into any detail that I had once... An incredibly profound and mystical experience that was, to my genuine shock, completely Jewish in nature and not from a side of Judaism that is a side that I had been brought up in and that I've never been able to shake and that has made me much more open to my own tradition than I would have thought. Okay.

Okay. Okay, that's fair. But what I will say about it is that... Okay, wait, wait, wait.

Okay. Okay, that's fair. But what I will say about it is that... Okay, wait, wait, wait.