Ezra Klein

just fancy gifts, fancy designer bags, and she calls him Uncle Jeffrey.

And she's somebody who, having done a lot of work in government at that point, is in richer circles than she is rich.

And so somebody who can, you know, give you a lot of things is valuable.

And so the connections are power to the wealthy, but the wealth is power to the connections.

See, I don't think that's fair, actually.

Or I'll say it in a different way.

Because whatever Eddie's work... But...

To Atiyah, it's like, you only get this one life, and here you've met somebody who has these parties with the most powerful and prominent leaders in business and politics.

How could you pass that up?

Right?

That's his explanation for what he was doing.

Let me take that as a moment to ask something cautionary.

Because, as you're saying, you look at these files, and there are a lot of people named in them.

The number of people actually close to him...

who you can get a lot about them by reading the files.

You know, we're talking in the low dozens, maybe.

We're talking about the elite, the power networks.

But actually, most people didn't know Jeffrey Epstein.

Most elites didn't have much to do with him.

Plenty of people saw him for what he was.