Ezra Klein

And on the other hand, they have to promise more and they will have to promise more to try to pull these influencers and institutions and churches and so on into their orbit.

If this was to start getting traction as actual ideas, what would that look like?

And I guess it will also be through culture and through, you know, how we treat each other and what is proposed.

I don't know if you read this piece in New York Magazine by Sam Adler-Bell,

about the women leaving the MAGA right, I found it to be a very moving and very sad piece, where it's all these women who were influencers or involved in right-wing politics, and maybe they didn't like what they felt to be the schoolmarmishness of the left, or maybe they had more Christian and conservative views.

And they sort of nod along and played along and even harnessed and argued for a lot of this.

And then woke up one day and realized that the men around them were treating them like shit.

And they were being cruel to them.

And that what was promised to them as a return to a kind of traditionalism where they were cherished and respected...

and would not have to be medicated in working a useless job, was actually just a way of justifying not being treated with any kind of respect or consideration at all.

I mean, that gets into the macro politics of this.

One, I do think there's genuine challenges for the left here on how to sense some of the underlying alienation, grievance, upset, and find a way to

meet it with something healthy, right?

Something more virtuous and something more ambitious than this.

But there's also, I think, this reality that if, I mean, this might all be a huge political disaster brewing for the right.

I have this basic theory that whichever side controls Twitter pays for it.

And I feel this very, very strongly.

Yeah.

So, you know, yes, you have like maximum probably liberal dominance of Twitter around 2020.

Donald Trump is banned from the platform after the effort to overturn the election.