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Fareed Zakaria

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1186 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Because if you think the other guy is going to defect, you're going to defect first.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And that's what I worry is going to start happening.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

The Canadians, you know, you look at what the Canadians did over the last 30 or 40 years.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

They basically made a single bet that their future was with a tight, close integration with the United States, politically, economically, in every way.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And they now look at the way in which the United States use that dependence to try to extract concessions from them.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And they're now saying to themselves, well, we need to buy insurance.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

We need to have better relations with China and with India.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And once you start going down that path,

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

that becomes difficult to reverse, even if a wonderful, more internationally-minded, more value-based president comes into power.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

The Indians, the same way, have been thinking to themselves, oh, we need to course-correct, and we need to take care of our own situation.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And if everyone does that, at some point, you're in a very different world than the world that we created after 1945.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Yeah, some of it will depend on whether is there an election that is a kind of complete repudiation of Trump and Trumpism in 28 and the world would read that in a particular way.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Look, there's a demand for American leadership.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

I mean, look at the Europeans who are very reluctant allies at various points during the Cold War and now are desperate for an America that will simply commit to the alliance.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

The more the world imagines what a world without American leadership and without American power looks like, the more they want it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

The problem is the world has changed.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

During the Iraq War, China was not nearly as powerful as it is today.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Russia had not been able to revive itself through all the oil revenues, consolidate power as Putin has.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

The world is different today.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And America is different.