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Fareed Zakaria

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1186 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Look, Bush, for all his flaws, always tried to appeal to broader principles.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

The Iraq war, he went to the UN, he tried to get UN resolutions, he went to Congress, he articulated it as part of a much larger issue of terrorism.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

He assembled an alliance of whatever, 45 countries.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Trump, with this Iran war, basically revels in the unilateralism of it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

He revels in the fact that he does it all by himself.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

He doesn't want to bother with Congress, to bother with the UN, to bother with allies until things are going badly and then he starts screaming that he wants them.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But if Trump represents something in America that is deep and lasting, then it's very different America.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

It's an America that really has...

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

not just tired, but soured on the role that it has played as this country that had an enlightened self-interest, that looked long, that was willing to forego the short-term extractive benefits.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

I hope that that America is still around.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But as with everything that's happened with Trump, there are points at which I've watched Donald Trump's success and thought to myself, I can't believe that Americans want this.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And I still have difficulty with that.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

I totally disagree.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

I mean, I think that you can only compare a hegemon to other hegemons.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

In other words, yes, the United States looks like it has its hands much dirtier than Costa Rica, which doesn't even have an army, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But let's think about the last three or four hundred years.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Is the United States been qualitatively different as the greatest global power compared with the Soviet Union, Hitler's Germany, the Kaiser's Germany, Imperial France, Imperial Britain, Imperial Holland?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Yes, those were all rapacious colonial empires.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

If you think about the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, obviously much, much worse.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And the United States used its power to rebuild Europe, to bring East Asia out of poverty.