Fareed Zakaria

And the Israeli response is, why can't the Arabs do it? Well, the Arabs don't want to be in the position of ruling over the Palestinians. They don't want to be in a position where Hamas launches an insurgency against them. That has been the sticking point, not the money. They've always been willing to pay the money. And by the way, that will continue to be the sticking point.

And the Israeli response is, why can't the Arabs do it? Well, the Arabs don't want to be in the position of ruling over the Palestinians. They don't want to be in a position where Hamas launches an insurgency against them. That has been the sticking point, not the money. They've always been willing to pay the money. And by the way, that will continue to be the sticking point.

That is the hard part of the Gaza business, not getting the Saudis and the UAE to pony up the cash.

That is the hard part of the Gaza business, not getting the Saudis and the UAE to pony up the cash.

Yeah, look, the left has collapsed everywhere. I mean, if you look at Europe, the real story of the European elections over the last 10 years is the collapse of the left. The French left has collapsed. The German left has collapsed. You know, Holland, wherever you look, Sweden was run by the Swedish Social Democrats for 75 years, and they're in trouble.

Yeah, look, the left has collapsed everywhere. I mean, if you look at Europe, the real story of the European elections over the last 10 years is the collapse of the left. The French left has collapsed. The German left has collapsed. You know, Holland, wherever you look, Sweden was run by the Swedish Social Democrats for 75 years, and they're in trouble.

And I think it's principally over the issue of immigration. As you know, I've been hardline on immigration. I think the whole system is – the asylum system needs to be scrapped. And the fact that the left was not willing to frontally acknowledge that you had millions of people coming in who were obviously gaming the system, claiming to be asylum seekers when they were really economic migrants –

And I think it's principally over the issue of immigration. As you know, I've been hardline on immigration. I think the whole system is – the asylum system needs to be scrapped. And the fact that the left was not willing to frontally acknowledge that you had millions of people coming in who were obviously gaming the system, claiming to be asylum seekers when they were really economic migrants –

The left is paying a huge price for that everywhere, and they will continue to pay a price for that because even now it'll feel like catch up when they do it. On the international side, I don't think there was any such deep dissatisfaction with the international system as it exists. I think it's, to a large extent, Trump's grievances around it that have exploited it. But he taps into it.

The left is paying a huge price for that everywhere, and they will continue to pay a price for that because even now it'll feel like catch up when they do it. On the international side, I don't think there was any such deep dissatisfaction with the international system as it exists. I think it's, to a large extent, Trump's grievances around it that have exploited it. But he taps into it.

a certain kind of American Jacksonianism that says, why are we entangled with these people? The United States has always had two fundamental attitudes. One, we are too good to participate in the world, or we are so good that we should completely transform the world. But to actually engage in the world as it exists has always been difficult for the United States because it's an ideological nation.

a certain kind of American Jacksonianism that says, why are we entangled with these people? The United States has always had two fundamental attitudes. One, we are too good to participate in the world, or we are so good that we should completely transform the world. But to actually engage in the world as it exists has always been difficult for the United States because it's an ideological nation.

It It believes it is exceptional and all that. And I think you see some of that in the Trump attitude. I think the point you made about Europe is the principal place where I would say there was a lesson to learn that we had gotten too complacent about the Western alliance and we had gotten too complacent about Europe's foreign policy dysfunctions.

It It believes it is exceptional and all that. And I think you see some of that in the Trump attitude. I think the point you made about Europe is the principal place where I would say there was a lesson to learn that we had gotten too complacent about the Western alliance and we had gotten too complacent about Europe's foreign policy dysfunctions.

And I think, you know, in some ways, Trump's willingness to to sort of think the unthinkable and say the unsayable. Like he said, for example, maybe we should make a deal with Iran. You know, he went in his first term and tried to make a deal with Kim Jong-un. Those things I actually do find refreshing because why not try to see if there's a way you could make a deal with Kim Jong-un?

And I think, you know, in some ways, Trump's willingness to to sort of think the unthinkable and say the unsayable. Like he said, for example, maybe we should make a deal with Iran. You know, he went in his first term and tried to make a deal with Kim Jong-un. Those things I actually do find refreshing because why not try to see if there's a way you could make a deal with Kim Jong-un?

Why not see if there's a way? I think all these things are low probabilities of success, but there is something to be said for Iran thinking out of the box in some way or the other. I feel like with Trump, the danger is not the thinking out of the box part. The danger is he doesn't value that the box we created is a pretty special box.

Why not see if there's a way? I think all these things are low probabilities of success, but there is something to be said for Iran thinking out of the box in some way or the other. I feel like with Trump, the danger is not the thinking out of the box part. The danger is he doesn't value that the box we created is a pretty special box.

And it's been very hard in human history to find an era of peace and prosperity and great power stability of the kind we have been able to create. So before we have this kind of Maoist nihilism and say, let's burn the whole thing down and see where it goes. That's appreciated the box.

And it's been very hard in human history to find an era of peace and prosperity and great power stability of the kind we have been able to create. So before we have this kind of Maoist nihilism and say, let's burn the whole thing down and see where it goes. That's appreciated the box.