Fareed Zakaria

Like Denmark, you know, like the Nordic countries, like Sweden.

I mean, I'm talking to these people and there you can feel that underneath they're trying to be polite.

There is a deep resentment at the way they are being treated.

And what are we doing this for?

I mean, that's to me the most bizarre part.

We're creating all these enemies out of allies.

For what?

For like the notional idea that we'll have more bases on Greenland, which we could have had anyway.

Yeah.

And in fact, even in Venezuela, I think it's important for people to understand, Chavez was hugely popular.

He won the first election absolutely genuinely.

Well, that's the difference between him and Trump.

These populist movements.

And the truth is, there are a lot of people who still believe in Chavez and believe.

So that's one of the reasons why this could get very, if they actually try a regime change, this would be very, very complicated because there are still, first of all, a lot of people with guns who are not going to give up power easily.

But there are also a lot of believing people.

Chavez followers, and then there's drug traffickers in Cartel.

So the whole thing is much more complicated, which is why the sad truth is this is probably going to look like essentially the most expensive arrest in human history of Maduro, which got rid of him,

got American oil companies some concessions into Venezuela and left everything else intact.

The entire repressive apparatus of the regime, the defense minister, the interior minister will all stay exactly as they are because otherwise you're opening a Pandora's box.