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Fareed Zakaria

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1398 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

When you have a bad strategy with unclear and shifting goals, it doesn't really matter how many people you have cheering for you on the side.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But you take all of that and you say those are the costs.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And the benefit is, as far as I can tell, is...

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

quite close to zero in the sense that Iran already had a nuclear program that was largely defunct.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Israel was already far more powerful than Iran and could easily defend itself.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

I see it as an absolute exercise in willful, reckless destruction.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

A destruction of lives, destruction of massive amounts of American military hardware, destruction of America's reputation.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But I also think what the president of the United States says matters.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And you can't just excuse something on the argument, oh, it's a clever negotiating strategy.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

First of all, it was a stupid, lousy negotiating strategy that has ended up with the United States much weaker than it was.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But even if it were, I don't think that the ends justify the means in situations like this.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And certainly not when the things you say

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

deeply erode your credibility, your moral reputation, you know, the core of your values.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

I think those things are real and throwing them away for momentary gain in some poker-like negotiation isn't worth the price.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

This is the key point.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

If this is a workable basis for negotiation.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

why the hell didn't we negotiate on this basis two months ago, three months ago, five months ago?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Why did we need the war?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

The Iranians would have been comfortable with seven of those demands, by which I mean there are three that are more demanding than they would have had.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Three months ago, they would have never said that they have the right to control the Strait of Hormuz.