Fareed Zakaria

But actually, the political scientist Sherry Berman makes this point very well.

What actually won at the end was social democracy, was a mixture of the welfare state and capitalism everywhere, even including the United States.

We have a vast welfare state.

And so once you have created that, once the basic conditions of creating a middle-class democratic society in which there are protections for the poor, for the unemployed, you know, there is healthcare of some kind,

Where do you go?

And part of what happened is I think the left in some areas went too far left and in an illiberal fashion, you know, the emphasis on quotas and DEI and all that kind of thing.

In other areas, they decided they wanted to go even further left, right?

So the challenge is I see the problem with saying, okay, you know, we've arrived at this stage and a lot of people, I have to confess, like me thought,

and maybe this is because I grew up in India, this is pretty amazing what you have been able to achieve.

And you look at the historical achievement of being able to have these stable middle-class societies in which individual rights are protected, where poor people are taken care of.

This is amazing.

Now let's try to get it right.

Let's try to get the Rube Goldberg of American health care to work better so that you actually cover that last 20-something million or however many it is.

But that is unsatisfying.

Nobody writes poems about expanding Obamacare.

So I see the problem.

But, you know, I think that that is the reality.

And when you start trying to find things to write poems and hymns and fight battles for, you're often going in dangerous places.

Now, that's the liberal in me, you know.

I'm suspicious of that much passion put into politics.