Fareed Zakaria

It has resolutely affirmed and defended that right.

It has put in place huge protocols about it.

And I think it was 1979, Carter put in a whole program for it.

And it gets to this whole idea that the United States has always taken the view that

that it was trying to create the open global economy, the rules-based system, the global commons.

It was trying to provide public goods for everybody, not seek short-term extraction for itself.

And Trump's entire worldview is the antithesis of that.

He hates that idea that America is this benign, long-term hegemon that looks out for the whole system.

No, what he wants to do is look at every situation and say, how can I squeeze this situation for a little bit of money?

If I see a country and I see there's a slight divergence in tariffs, I don't think about, well,

The whole point was to create an open trading system.

No, I say, I can squeeze you.

If I see that you're dependent on me for military aid, I wonder, how can I squeeze you?

His whole idea is the short-term extractive, I get a win for now.

I've talked to a couple of foreign leaders about this, and they also picked up on this remark.

It would be stunning to the world if the United States, the country that has, for example, constantly warned China that the Strait of Malacca, through which more energy goes than the Strait of Hormuz, I think, has to remain open and free, that freedom of navigation is a right, not a privilege conferred by anybody.

If we were to now adopt the position, the Iranian position, that no, no, no, it's ours and we get to do what it is,

I mean, it's a complete revolution in the way we have approached the world.

Yeah, that's a very good phrase because, you know, it is this predatory attitude towards everything, but we are still the hegemon, right?

So it's weird.