Fareed Zakaria

For every $100 the federal government spent, we were saying we're going to give $1 To clothe the naked and feed the hungry.

For every $100 the federal government spent, we were saying we're going to give $1 To clothe the naked and feed the hungry.

I've heard people— And just to push back, USAID was audited 60 times in the last year.

I've heard people— And just to push back, USAID was audited 60 times in the last year.

And by the way, that play was not a USAID spend. It was an American ambassador who decided to help to fund a cultural festival in Ireland. So much of this is misinformation.

And by the way, that play was not a USAID spend. It was an American ambassador who decided to help to fund a cultural festival in Ireland. So much of this is misinformation.

And there is a big bureaucracy and there is waste. No question about it.

And there is a big bureaucracy and there is waste. No question about it.

Well, and he was corrected by the Pope.

Well, and he was corrected by the Pope.

Yeah. You know, if you think about the mood now is this macho realism. You know, Trump is about doing deals. We don't worry about all these values. You know, we're just going to do what's best for America. We're going to use our surplus power. All of that evokes this kind of 19th century realpolitik.

Yeah. You know, if you think about the mood now is this macho realism. You know, Trump is about doing deals. We don't worry about all these values. You know, we're just going to do what's best for America. We're going to use our surplus power. All of that evokes this kind of 19th century realpolitik.

And what people forget about that world was it was a world of constant war, massive human rights abuses. The way that the rich countries thought about poor countries then was let's colonize them, let's exploit them, let's enslave their people.

And what people forget about that world was it was a world of constant war, massive human rights abuses. The way that the rich countries thought about poor countries then was let's colonize them, let's exploit them, let's enslave their people.

There's something weird about forgetting what that world entailed and forgetting how important it was that we had this revolution in international affairs over the last century where we've moved to a completely different place. And to my mind...

There's something weird about forgetting what that world entailed and forgetting how important it was that we had this revolution in international affairs over the last century where we've moved to a completely different place. And to my mind...

One of the sad ironies about all this is that the country that did more than any other country to effect that revolution, beginning with Woodrow Wilson, is the one now undermining it.

One of the sad ironies about all this is that the country that did more than any other country to effect that revolution, beginning with Woodrow Wilson, is the one now undermining it.

If you had told me, you know, who's going to undermine the open international system, the liberal international order 10 or 15 years ago, I would have said, oh, it's going to be the rise of China, or it's going to be the rogue actions of Russia, or it's going to be the Iranians. No, it turns out to be the United States of America that turns its back on its own creation.

If you had told me, you know, who's going to undermine the open international system, the liberal international order 10 or 15 years ago, I would have said, oh, it's going to be the rise of China, or it's going to be the rogue actions of Russia, or it's going to be the Iranians. No, it turns out to be the United States of America that turns its back on its own creation.