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Fareed Zakaria

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

So I was thinking about it, and one of them, I think, would be Robert Kagan's book, The Jungle Grows Back, which is a short book that tries to explain the nature of this world that America built and how its erosion and decay will result in the jungle growing back, the jungle of realpolitik, war, poverty, and all the things that existed before.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

So I was thinking about it, and one of them, I think, would be Robert Kagan's book, The Jungle Grows Back, which is a short book that tries to explain the nature of this world that America built and how its erosion and decay will result in the jungle growing back, the jungle of realpolitik, war, poverty, and all the things that existed before.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

The second would be if you want to get a feel for 19th, 18th century diplomacy and its ups and downs. Henry Kissinger wrote a wonderful kind of history called Diplomacy. And it begins in the 17th century and it goes all the way to the 1970s, 80s, as I recall. And it's just called Diplomacy. And the third would be...

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

The second would be if you want to get a feel for 19th, 18th century diplomacy and its ups and downs. Henry Kissinger wrote a wonderful kind of history called Diplomacy. And it begins in the 17th century and it goes all the way to the 1970s, 80s, as I recall. And it's just called Diplomacy. And the third would be...

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

Again, thinking about this world America built, if you want a kind of a wonderful biographical lens into it, Walter Isaacson and Evan Thomas wrote a book called The Wise Men. And it was a story of six people who were instrumental in building the post-World War II American order. So for all those of you who are fans of Walter Isaacson, this was actually his very first biography.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

Again, thinking about this world America built, if you want a kind of a wonderful biographical lens into it, Walter Isaacson and Evan Thomas wrote a book called The Wise Men. And it was a story of six people who were instrumental in building the post-World War II American order. So for all those of you who are fans of Walter Isaacson, this was actually his very first biography.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

He wrote it with one of his closest friends, Evan Thomas. They were both editors at Time. It's a wonderful read. My review of that book for an obscure publication called The American Scholar is my first published piece in the world. So I have a particular affection for it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

He wrote it with one of his closest friends, Evan Thomas. They were both editors at Time. It's a wonderful read. My review of that book for an obscure publication called The American Scholar is my first published piece in the world. So I have a particular affection for it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

Good to be here, Ezra. Thank you.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

Good to be here, Ezra. Thank you.

3 Takeaways™
Top Takeaways of 2024 (#232)

Fundamentally, we have done something very strange to our political parties. We took away their primary function. The primary function of every political party is to choose a candidate. The primary system means that the 10% that is most extreme, most engaged in each party chooses the candidate. That, by the way, is a unique system. No other advanced democracy in the world does it this way.

3 Takeaways™
Top Takeaways of 2024 (#232)

Fundamentally, we have done something very strange to our political parties. We took away their primary function. The primary function of every political party is to choose a candidate. The primary system means that the 10% that is most extreme, most engaged in each party chooses the candidate. That, by the way, is a unique system. No other advanced democracy in the world does it this way.

3 Takeaways™
Top Takeaways of 2024 (#232)

Every other democracy, the party, through some internal means, chooses the candidate and then presents it to you for the election. And what does that mean? That means that the party elders, party officials, senior party members lose power, and party activists, extremists, the people on Twitter, the people who go to primaries, they gain power.

3 Takeaways™
Top Takeaways of 2024 (#232)

Every other democracy, the party, through some internal means, chooses the candidate and then presents it to you for the election. And what does that mean? That means that the party elders, party officials, senior party members lose power, and party activists, extremists, the people on Twitter, the people who go to primaries, they gain power.

3 Takeaways™
Top Takeaways of 2024 (#232)

The people I mentioned, their party outlets tend to be mainstream. They're politicians. They've been elected by broad constituencies. They represent, in a sense, the center of the political spectrum. The people who vote in primaries tend to represent the extreme. So it's been a very bad trade that we've made.

3 Takeaways™
Top Takeaways of 2024 (#232)

The people I mentioned, their party outlets tend to be mainstream. They're politicians. They've been elected by broad constituencies. They represent, in a sense, the center of the political spectrum. The people who vote in primaries tend to represent the extreme. So it's been a very bad trade that we've made.

3 Takeaways™
Top Takeaways of 2024 (#232)

And it means that the party is really now a shell, as you say, within which political entrepreneurs act. And if you can raise the money and you can gain attention, you become important.

3 Takeaways™
Top Takeaways of 2024 (#232)

And it means that the party is really now a shell, as you say, within which political entrepreneurs act. And if you can raise the money and you can gain attention, you become important.

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