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Fareed Zakaria

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

dazzled by that and his grandchildren sing Chinese songs to Xi Jinping and he talks about this beautiful chocolate cake he serves him he likes the idea that he is you know sitting with the second most powerful person in the world and they you know they have a relationship and they get on the whole Trump 1.0 on China was kind of a nothing because they put tariffs on

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

dazzled by that and his grandchildren sing Chinese songs to Xi Jinping and he talks about this beautiful chocolate cake he serves him he likes the idea that he is you know sitting with the second most powerful person in the world and they you know they have a relationship and they get on the whole Trump 1.0 on China was kind of a nothing because they put tariffs on

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And somebody did a calculation that something like 95% of the value of the revenues collected for the tariffs went to subsidies to American farmers to compensate them for the loss. So we didn't even make any money off of it, which Trump often talks about with tariffs. This time around, I think he seems to be much less even rhetorically hostile toward China.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And somebody did a calculation that something like 95% of the value of the revenues collected for the tariffs went to subsidies to American farmers to compensate them for the loss. So we didn't even make any money off of it, which Trump often talks about with tariffs. This time around, I think he seems to be much less even rhetorically hostile toward China.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

My inclination is to go where you're going. He wants to deal with China. He wants to have some kind of a better working relationship with China. I think to a large extent, that could be a good thing. And I think that one of the things I worry about in the new world we're going into, China is embarking on a massive military buildup.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

My inclination is to go where you're going. He wants to deal with China. He wants to have some kind of a better working relationship with China. I think to a large extent, that could be a good thing. And I think that one of the things I worry about in the new world we're going into, China is embarking on a massive military buildup.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

China is probably going to quadruple the number of nuclear weapons it has in the next 10 years. And, you know, to a certain extent, I understand China's point of view, which is they're the second richest country in the world. Why should they not have an arsenal that's as big as Russia's? But it can be very destabilizing.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

China is probably going to quadruple the number of nuclear weapons it has in the next 10 years. And, you know, to a certain extent, I understand China's point of view, which is they're the second richest country in the world. Why should they not have an arsenal that's as big as Russia's? But it can be very destabilizing.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

That period when the Soviets expanded their nuclear arsenal in the late 50s and 60s and the United States and the Soviets were going macho, mano a mano, it was a very unstable period. Think of the Berlin crisis, the Cuban missile crisis. So to have a better working relationship with China in this period, I think is a very good thing.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

That period when the Soviets expanded their nuclear arsenal in the late 50s and 60s and the United States and the Soviets were going macho, mano a mano, it was a very unstable period. Think of the Berlin crisis, the Cuban missile crisis. So to have a better working relationship with China in this period, I think is a very good thing.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And if for whatever reason Trump gets there, I'd be the first to applaud it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And if for whatever reason Trump gets there, I'd be the first to applaud it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

I think what Trump represented for the Israelis was the most unqualified support that any American president was ever going to give to an Israeli prime minister. And the relationship is obviously very personal between Trump and Bibi.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

I think what Trump represented for the Israelis was the most unqualified support that any American president was ever going to give to an Israeli prime minister. And the relationship is obviously very personal between Trump and Bibi.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

As a result of that, by the way, he was able to get a ceasefire because, in effect, it seems that his envoy told Bibi, you're not going to get a better deal from Trump, so you better take this one. This is in the waning days of the Biden administration. But I think that it's also a kind of ideological affinity to Bibi-ism, if you will.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

As a result of that, by the way, he was able to get a ceasefire because, in effect, it seems that his envoy told Bibi, you're not going to get a better deal from Trump, so you better take this one. This is in the waning days of the Biden administration. But I think that it's also a kind of ideological affinity to Bibi-ism, if you will.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

If you notice in that UN resolution in which the United States absolutely bizarrely sided with Russia on against Ukraine, against almost every democratic country in the world in basically not condemning the Russian aggression in Ukraine. There were two unusual countries that went along with the U.S., Russia, North Korea, Belarus. It was Hungary and Israel.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

If you notice in that UN resolution in which the United States absolutely bizarrely sided with Russia on against Ukraine, against almost every democratic country in the world in basically not condemning the Russian aggression in Ukraine. There were two unusual countries that went along with the U.S., Russia, North Korea, Belarus. It was Hungary and Israel.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And I think what that tells you is that there is this ideological affinity that Trump feels with Bibi both wrongly persecuted by the liberal elites of their country, both representing the kind of silent majority in their minds, both believing in huge amounts of disruption, both tough guys. So there's, I think, a kind of personal and ideological connection that Trump has with Bibi's Israel.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

And I think what that tells you is that there is this ideological affinity that Trump feels with Bibi both wrongly persecuted by the liberal elites of their country, both representing the kind of silent majority in their minds, both believing in huge amounts of disruption, both tough guys. So there's, I think, a kind of personal and ideological connection that Trump has with Bibi's Israel.