Fearne Cotton

You've got social media and the sort of

fake ass reality that is sort of constantly see on there and can't differentiate between is this someone's reality or not?

You've got sort of internalized misogyny going on.

You've got money and power.

There's so many interesting themes.

Was there an initial one that you were like, I want to write about this?

Oh, it's so clever because I think also, I don't know how it feels in the States at the moment, but in the UK, there is a lot of conversation around the whole trad wife situation, toxic masculinity.

And we're really sort of seeing those themes rise up culturally in terms of,

documentaries that we're watching and more factual stuff that we're reading.

So to weave it into a fiction seems so perfectly timed.

Oh my God.

I know there's a documentary over here at the moment.

Have you watched it with Louis Theroux?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's fascinating.

I think you would absolutely, well, you won't love it because you'll feel deeply angry, but it's very, very interesting watching the interaction between Louis Theroux and the men that are kind of in the manosphere, quite actively in the manosphere.

Natalie, the protagonist, as you say, is obsessed with motherhood.

But she's obsessed with the idea of it rather than doing it.

She actually, to me, seems to hate every part of it.

Was that quite complicated to write?