Felix Van De Maele

I think from Silicon Valley, these biographies.

Like name one or two.

Yeah, I think they had a great book at the time.

It's called Founders at Work.

It's a fantastic book.

It's a bit old now, but it talks about the founders of Twitter and so on before that existed.

And in all my, I think, naivety, I thought, well, when they can do it, I can at least try, right?

Why shouldn't I?

And kind of that's how we got started.

So we started four founders.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, four founders.

The three others were doing their PhD at the lab.

And then while we got started, I did like a mini MBA, general management.

During that time, we kind of wrote the first business plan.

And then as I graduated, we raised 800,000 euros, seed round, and started the company.

Yeah, so I think it's... So I'm CEO, and I think what we've tried to do from the beginning, and it's not always easy, of course, is to split shareholders from management.

Now, of course, in the beginning, your shareholders are your management and is the whole company.

But as you grow, that changes over time.

And so we try to separate the two as much as possible.