Fergus Crawley

Whatever else has happened today, that's a gray area of life.

And I think more and more people are yearning for a bit of black and white in their life so that they can measure a win.

I have had a successful day

Because it can be quite chaotic.

There's a lot of inputs these days.

And I think that's why so many people are turning to recreational activity as a way of measuring themselves against themselves, which I think is great.

I think my way of looking at things is if you're not winning or you're not a pro, no one cares other than maybe your mum.

And even then, does she really care or is she just happy to see you having fun?

Yeah, and I think that's good.

I think it's easy to...

Yeah, there's a couple of things there.

I think one is when you ran your 2.57 in Tokyo, I bet you can remember when doing that and that pace was as inconceivable then as 3.10s is to you now.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

And that's what's amazing.

And I think that's what's great is if you're wanting to do your first marathon and you're seeing 2.15 at London, that's quite a big gap to bridge.

Yeah.

But seeing the person that's going for 329 might be the thing that gets you to sub four.

And then there's tranches to this.

I think the key detail is at one point there was something that made him commit to taking one step forward that has now spiralled into potentially a 215 marathon.

Are you a good runner?