Fiona Fung

Like PM is, I know like you were chatting with Kat, I think PM is also transformed quite a bit because PM are no longer bottlenecked of if they have an idea waiting on engineering bandwidth.

So that's kind of like the next role that I saw on shift.

Like actually our PMs have also helped us roll up sleeves and helped shift, you know, like some features when we were, you know, like when there was a

something we want to do and an engineer wasn't able to.

So I think it's all the coding adjacent roles are starting to shift.

But I think that's where, again, the verification is important because when you have more different disciplines checking in, how do we make sure everybody has higher confidence?

I also think we need to do more to keep automating these other portions of the workflows.

Like for sure we focus a lot on coding, but next when you think about like design or data science, like those are starting to be the next areas that I think are good opportunities for us to see how we can, yeah, like start improving kind of the experiences there as well.

Oh, interesting.

Well, definitely, I think most commits are cloud-assisted.

And so that was a shift.

I think...

You know, I kind of like mentioned, we have like Slack channels with all the feedback and also our dashboards that we have give to call it.

I think having engineers build in, like keep building that stronger product sense muscle is I think also like another, and I think that in general helps kind of,

We have these really trauma-minded product engineers.

I would say more of these roles that were traditionally non-engineering, you do now see engineers being like, and sometimes you're just blocked by waiting for a cross-functional partner.

I think there's less of those blocks now just because the models are able to augment additional capabilities that you may not have as an engineer.

Yeah, that's right.

It's all blurring.

I love it.