Fiona Hill

I mean, that also has the great added effect of cutting off Ukraine's power supply because Zaporizhzhia in particular was...

Was it a third of Ukraine's power generation or some really high percentage?

I'd have to go back and take a look at that.

But that's a twofer.

It's a kind of a double effect there of undermining power generation, also frightening Germans and others who've already been very worried about nuclear power and increasing your leverage on the energy front, but also scaring people.

from the perspective of the use of nuclear weapon.

Those reactors also become a nuclear weapon tactically deployed.

And as you said, the discussion of using a nuclear weapon and engendering all those fears.

And he's already got an effect.

Everyone's running around talking about the Cuban Missile Crisis and secret diplomacy and how we negotiate away Ukraine in return for Putin not blowing up a nuclear weapon.

So he's got a lot of people already talking about that.

I know we're talking about it.

I think we probably have several plans because it depends on what, where, when, how.

Well, there's also signaling and signs of movement there.

I mean, I want to be very, you know, kind of careful about this.

But the thing is, it's also very important that we do this with other nuclear powers.

So the other thing that's different from how it might have been in the past, and particularly different from the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Iran Missile Crisis, we're not the only nuclear players.

China has a major nuclear arsenal now, less on the strategic side, but building it up, but very much on the intermediate range and tactical.

Kim Jong-un is firing off weapons left, right, and center at the moment in North Korea.

We've got other rogue states.