Fiona Hill

He said he suffered enough.

But he suffered for 10, 11 years.

I don't think Putin feels that Ukraine has suffered enough at this point, or we have suffered enough.

Yeah, it's medieval.

I mean, look, we're all capable of the same things, right?

There was all that destruction, and that's what Assad was like in Syria, like his father.

You destroy because you teach him a lesson.

And look, Britain did that in the colonial era.

I mean, all the history of British colonialism is exactly the same.

I mean, all the Mao Mao, you know, up until recent times, brutality.

teaching people, you know, teaching them a lesson.

You have to suffer.

The US did it.

I mean, we did it with the Native Americans, you know, we did it all over the place, you know, as well.

This is kind of what big, you know, states do.

at different points in history.

It's just that, you know, Russia has not moved on from that.

And we've learned some lessons later.

I hope, you know, we've fully internalized them of, you know, things that we've done, you know, kind of the past United States, ideally are trying to do better.

And most of Europe is trying to do better as well.