Fiona Hill

Think about France and Algeria, you know, again, you know, we can see this in many different settings.

But I think, you know, for Putin right now, he hasn't taught all of us sufficient a lesson.

That's how Europeans felt about Germany and Germans at the end of World War II.

Well, it might well take a generation.

I mean, when I was a kid in the 70s, I went on exchanges to Germany.

And that was like, you know, 30 years, more than 30 years after the end of the war.

My grandfather, who'd fought in World War I, wouldn't speak to my parents when they sent me on a... I mean, he hadn't fought in World War II.

He fought in World War I. He hated the Germans.

And he did not want me going, you know, to Germany as an exchange student.

He refused to meet, you know, kind of the German kid who, you know, came to stay at my house, you know, for example.

I mean, it takes a long time to get over that.

But you do, and we have.

We have in Europe.

And that was the whole point of, you know, all of that kind of exercise of European unity after World War II.

Now, the big challenge is...

What do we do with Russia?

Because a lot of people are talking that we can't have European security without Russia.

Other people are saying we can't have a Europe, you know, kind of with Russia.

You know, so how do we deal with this?

We've got to basically kind of, it's going to be like Japan and Germany after World War II, after this.