Fiona Hill

But they have such a positive view of the United States and it's, you know, so soured now.

And this desire to, you know, basically get away from these dependencies.

And, you know, what we do have to worry about is nuclear proliferation.

Because, you know, everybody knows that in the past, you know, we've had South Korea...

not just South Africa, Turkey, you know, other countries, Japan, you know, all kind of questions.

Sweden, Sweden.

Think about Sweden, who've all thought about, you know, getting nuclear weapons.

And as I said, you've got all these countries now thinking about, well, you know, maybe we should have a European nuclear weapon.

And it's not just the, you know, the British system that seems too dependent on the US or the French that's just for the French.

You know, how do we, you know, kind of basically create all kinds of systems so we reduce our dependencies on the United States, which is reduce their ability to leverage us.

You know, by access to the U.S.

market or just to kind of bully us and try to ruin our economies.

Well, also, if it's, you know, J.D.

Vance, to be frank, and he's supported by the tech bros, people are really kind of, I mean, that was part of the discussion at Davos.

You know, and in other settings, do people really, you know, there are 8 billion people on the planet and there are 8, you know, kind of tech bros.

Probably that's a bit of a, I'm just using that as a kind of, you know, reference point here.

But, you know, this is, I mean, should everybody be enthralled to them?

Could they only buy their products and then, you know, have to be, you know, basically manipulated by them and bullied, you know, kind of, and JD Vance is supported by them.

I've heard that over and over again, you know, kind of what's, you know, with all these.

And again, a threshold.