Fiona Hill

That's why we call it building.

And it's not the same as building a wonderful tower or kind of a real estate portfolio.

There's so many other elements of it.

And again, Trump's view, getting back to where we started from, is dealing with just a group of guys and then thinking that everything gets done from that direction.

I think he does believe that Rome can be built in a day.

Well, it's definitely the feature of technology.

I think that's absolutely right in just all the constant innovations that we have in technology that make it much easier to propagate information and to get the same ideas seeded on larger and larger groups of people than they could have done previously.

But in terms of the form of this, we could have said the same about the American and the European left during the Soviet period.

We did.

There you go, right?

It was true, exactly.

And the thing is, but what was going on there was there were, in many respects, there were, as was termed at the time, fellow travelers.

Sometimes they intersected.

But they were all developing their ideas in parallel.

And what really was useful to the Soviets at the time was that all of these groups were thinking the same way.

And that's, I think, what we're seeing again now.

We've moved around to the views of the right.

are now in parallel with the views of Russia and of other states.

And I think it just makes it easier.

They become fellow travellers and sometimes they get on not just on the same bus, but right in the seat next to each other.