Fiona Hill

And of course that did not completely fade away because you still see the ties that come out of the old French Communist Party and Italy, for example, and in Eastern Germany that still bond well.

with Russia on the left, even though Russia is very much over here on the right, although we all talk about that horseshoe in which, you know, the politics have, you know, bent around.

So, you know, it's not, I think, self-evident that this will continue, you know, post-Trump, but it will certainly, you know, I think it's now shaped very much these politics of the future.

And the real challenge will be, you know, how to find a way back again to some...

central or other definition of our politics in which this trend is neutralized, just as what happened over time in Europe and in America on the left.

Well, I don't think it's more advanced than here, but I think that the United States is playing a role in advancing that.

People like Nigel Farage and others have had to kind of repudiate their links with Russia in the current European environment.

But Farage and GB News, of course, have just joined at the hip with Truth Social.

Farage is very much driven by his relationship with Trump.

And so it's been quite difficult.

You've had the head of reform from Wales in jail from actually accepting money from the Russians.

Correct.

UK Independence Party successor with Nigel Farage at the top, you know, shifting from pushing for Brexit for the UK's removal from the European Union, now using immigration.

And now they're trying to also pick up the same sets of issues.

that has been shaped here in the United States rather than in Russia per se.

But we've seen funding from Russians.

We're now seeing quite a lot of efforts from the United States.

And ironically, it's both the US and Russia that are shaping a lot of the thinking of these white wing movements and parties, as you said, in the UK and in Europe.

At the same time, you're getting quite a lot of popular and political revulsion

to not just what Russia is doing in Ukraine, but what the United States is doing with Greenland, et cetera.