Fiona Hill

The National Park Service, you know, for example, it's just when you talk about government in an abstract way, like, oh, yeah, too much.

bloated you know not efficient and effective but if you kind of bring it down more to the kind of local and federal levels that's kind of you know when people really see it if people could see kind of themselves reflected and many of the people have gone into public service i think that they would yeah they have a lot more support for it more like superstars like uh individuals that are like

I think you can.

I don't think that's advisable, though, by the way, because, I mean, I don't think anybody should be there.

Well, you should definitely have term limits, just like you should in everything, right?

I mean, it's just like tenure in university.

Yeah, you kind of, you know, we do.

We have natural term limits.

But, you know, you're kind of, you know, basically bottling it up for other people.

I mean, you know, what I'm trying to do now, I mean, I'm 57 now, and I always try to work with, you know, people from different generations for me, just like, you know, I've really benefited from these, you know, kind of mentorships of people who are older.

You can, you know, mentor up and well and mentor down.

I mean, I would...

You know, try to get people from different backgrounds and different generations to work together in teams.

Honestly, I'd like to more team networked kind of approach to things.

The kind of things that you get again in science, right?

I mean, all these ideas are going to come from all kinds of different perspectives.

Age and experience does count for something.

But, you know, fresh ideas and coming in and looking at a problem from a different perspective and seeing something that somebody else hasn't seen before.

I mean, I just, you know, kind of love working in an environment with all kinds of different people and people who don't agree with you.

You need people to take you on and say, absolutely, that's crap.