Fiona Hill

Where did you come up with that from?

And you go, hang on.

Well, explain to me why you think so.

And then, you know, you have this kind of iterative process back and forth.

I mean, I would always encourage my colleagues to tell me when they thought I was wrong.

I mean, sometimes I didn't agree because I didn't see the, you know, the reasoning.

But other times I'm like, they're right.

You know, that was a complete mistake.

I need to admit that.

And, you know, kind of we need to figure out a different way of doing things.

But the one point I do want to get across is there were a lot of people who were nonpartisan that I worked with.

I mean, honestly, in most of the jobs that I had up until more recently, I had no idea about people's political affiliation.

It's just when you get into this kind of highly charged partisan environment, they kind of force people to make decisions.

And when you have one political party, a political faction that's trying to usurp power, it does make it quite difficult.

I mean, that's the situation that we're in right now.

And, you know, we're seeing some of the things happening like this I've seen and studied in other settings or seen for myself happening.

You know, when you have a president who wants to cling on to power, you know, you've got to call that out.

You know, is that a partisan act or is that a kind of, you know, defense of that larger political system that you're part of?

You know, so I think we've got to recognize that

Even if you're not partisan, you can be politically engaged.