Fiona Hill

the chief executive, the kind of prime ministerial role, and then the commander-in-chief of the military.

It's all things, you know, kind of at once.

But ultimately, for a lot of people, it's just how you feel about that person.

Oh, I couldn't vote for them because of this, or I couldn't vote for them because of that.

And in 2016...

Hillary Clinton actually did win the election in terms of the popular vote.

So it wasn't that people wouldn't vote for a woman.

I mean, more people voted for her on the popular level, not obviously through the electoral college and the electoral college vote.

So it wasn't just gender or something like that, but it was an awful lot of things for people who found Trump attractive.

because he was sticking up the big middle finger to the establishment.

He's an anti-establishment change character.

There was a lot of people voted for Barack Obama for the same reason and voted for Trump.

We know that phenomenon, what was it, 11, you know, 12% of people, you know, so they could vote for some completely, totally different, radically different people because of that sort of sense of change and charisma.

I mean, I had people who I knew voted for Trump, but would have voted for Obama again if he'd run again.

Because they just like the way that he spoke.

I mean, this is all my own anecdotal things.

One of my relatives said, I could listen to Obama all day, every day.

I just love the way he sounded.

I love the way he looked.

I just like the whole thing about him.