Fiona Hill

And then to say about Trump, well, he was exciting.

He was interesting.

He was kind of like whipping it up there.

So there's just this kind of feeling.

We always say about, could you have a beer with this person?

And people decide they couldn't have one with Hillary Clinton.

And, you know, maybe they could go off and have one with Barack Obama and with Donald Trump.

They didn't want to have one with Joe Biden, you know, for example.

And remember, George W. Bush didn't drink, so he wouldn't have had a beer with him.

He'd have gone out and got a soda or something with him.

But, you know, there's that kind of element of just that sort of personal connection in the way that the whole presidential election is set up.

It's less about the parties.

It's less about the platforms.

It's more about the person.

Yeah, it is.

Yeah.

Well, if you look to the first couple of terms,

of his presidency, I think, you know, on the overall ledger, you would have actually said that he made a lot of achievements from Russia.

Now, there was, of course, the pretty black period of the war in Chechnya, but, you know, he didn't start that.

That was Boris Yeltsin.