Francis Foster

And one of the things that you see when we talk about moral display is how the people, should we just say the characters, let's call them progressives or hyper-liberals, whatever term you want to use to describe them.

is not only do they have this suicidal vanity, but they're also quite patronizing as well to these immigrants.

They treat them as lesser than, and they can't really see that.

And that's a really profound point because there's moments where the police get involved

And what the main characters realize is there's no way of getting these people out of their house.

And then you suddenly make it very clear in the book that the system is biased against the people that it's meant to, in inverted commas, protect.

And it's quite interesting because as well as talking about the women, you don't spare the men, particularly the protagonist, the main character, Nico, the young man.

I mean, it's a pretty devastating analysis of young men that you do in the book.

But one of the things that your book explores very intelligently is incentives.

Yes.

The women of the family behave the way they do because of incentives, social incentives, you know, being seen to be a good person.

The migrants behave in their own way because of incentives, because they know that if they come to the US, they're going to have a better quality of life, far better than when they came from before.

And there will be opportunities for them to

have a much better quality of life.

But Nico is also responding to incentives.

Being an adult is hard.

It's tough.

You have responsibility.

You have unpleasant days at work.

You get involved in a relationship.