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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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It was actually a very good example of someone applying critical thinking to an issue in good faith. This kind of environment, it creates people who actually can't think, which is why it's kind of impressive that the video you did about JK Rowling, with your help, actually could think.
They insinuate that we'll make it so you can't teach. Essentially, we'll give you a good recommendation if you sign this thing. I hope you don't make any mistakes. That was their language.
It's kind of mafioso, isn't it? What did that entire experience teach you about the education system?
There's a fear that I see at the college level and the high school level around the emotional impact of the students to be able to have these conversations.
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Chapter 2: How does the guest's experience with J.K. Rowling's controversy illustrate critical thinking?
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How many postmodernists have a business that they run? Warren Smith, welcome to Chickenometry. Thank you for having me. Great to have you on, man. I've been enjoying a lot of your content. Before we get into opinions and debate and all that kind of stuff, tell everybody your story because your story is very interesting.
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You're surprised by this fact.
Yeah. So I was teaching media content creation and a piece of content went viral, opened a door for YouTube. I was like, oh, see how far this will go. This is interesting. I knew there was a risk, but the It didn't outweigh the cost of not trying, if that makes sense.
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Chapter 3: What challenges do educators face in promoting critical thinking?
Caught up kind of in a way that I thought there was an 80% chance that the school given kind of skipped over this video and viral, or we said that I knew they weren't happy with that. I thought there was like an 80% chance they just won't renew my They did a slightly different move, got rid of me quickly, midday, kind of threw me into this weird limbo where now I have to focus on this.
I was under 50,000 subscribers, wasn't financially viable. Scary time, worked out, here we are.
So what was the school and what was the video?
so i don't want to dox the school because it it would be unnecessary i mean it would take a google i imagine no people have tried oh okay they don't want it so nobody knows which college you were teaching at this was a high school high school okay okay right um so you asked me which schools what was the other part of the question what was the video
Oh, the video was with a student making the claim that J.K. Rowling, asking me, how have your views on Harry Potter changed given J.K. Rowling's bigoted opinions? There's a presupposition in there. All right, let's just run through that. And he ended up changing his mind, realizing he didn't have the evidence necessary for the claim. That was all it was.
I was surprised that anyone watched it, to be honest.
Well, it was a great video because it was actually a very good example of someone applying critical thinking to an issue in good faith. And you could just watch through the logical fallacies that the person had in their head to ask the question in that way. And you kind of de-radicalized almost them in that moment. So why would that be such a controversial thing?
Well, there were many teachers... not happy about it because they disagree on JK Rowling. And word would get to me, they don't say these things to your face, and nonverbal communication is extremely important in navigating these day-to-day games that occur. But I was working with another teacher, a music teacher, who had been collaborating with me on YouTube in the past already.
We were fascinated by the technology, the medium, and he would tell me, man, they're looking, they're not happy, they're looking for, just be careful, they're looking for any reason. And in the meantime,
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Chapter 4: How does postmodernism impact education and critical thinking?
So I just did it. And I came in the next day. People, they already knew. Cause I remember the day after, before Piers Morgan came in and every, I wasn't gonna say anything. Maybe they won't notice. Everybody knew because Elon had tweeted it out. And so they had a meeting after school You're like, yeah, so this happened with Warren. He didn't break any rules. He's not in trouble.
So then I do, all right, then I do the Pierce Morgan thing. Then I come into school and they're like, all right, we've got to meet with the lawyers, the head honcho, the person in charge of the school, who's really just this business person, never at the school. We see her maybe once or twice a year. The principal was a nice guy. He was the one like, dude, this is crazy.
This is like, and he was a little bit like, look, man, if you're going to do Pierce Morgan, you got to run up the chain and come in. And I was like, yeah. Okay. And he was like, but honestly, I would have done the same thing. So he was reasonable in that sense, but this went above his head. So I meet with the lawyers and they're on conference call. Well, you didn't break any rules.
They literally said, congratulations. You're probably going to want to keep making things. You seem to enjoy it. I hope you don't make any mistakes. That was their language. It's kind of mafioso, isn't it? There are aspects of this that are eerily, like we can get into it if you want, but very strange that people are like, you're making this up. It's crazy.
Chapter 5: What are the implications of emotional responses in academic discussions?
So let's talk about that. Like the, I hope you don't make any mistakes, you know, be a shame.
Yeah, that's what it was, yeah.
So let's talk about that, that aspect of it.
what way well you were saying there's some stuff that you could share yeah that people oh that was out so after i was thinking about this incident where the teacher that i've been collaborating with he was like my best friend at school got along really well because our content the subject matter was very similar we shared interest camera technology both fascinated with it and we'd be making all these promotional videos for the school to go online so maybe a month goes by before i get fired and he's warning me and warning me about all this stuff and
I get fired, and it's like something had switched, and I anticipated this as well. I knew that they were gonna sit him down and be like, you can't keep doing this with Warren. Like, he's dead to us. It was like I was deleted. Like, it was very... Like, you don't exist. It's very strange. No contact. But all of his... He helped me set up the space, so a lot of his equipment's in that space.
A week goes by, and finally he texts me. He texted me the day after. He was like, I heard the news. Because I was like... escorted out.
Really?
Yeah. And so I had no, I couldn't say goodbye to anybody. It was.
Wait, well, hold on. Maybe I'm lost in the timeline. You do this video about JK Rowling, but the student. Yeah. They say don't make any mistakes. Did you then make a mistake? Yeah. What was your mistake?
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Chapter 6: How can we develop better critical thinking skills in students?
I did the same thing again with a different student, but I took more. So teaching media, I have a list of who has the clearances, who has signed the releases, the parents. And we had had another conversation like, oh, this one's kind of interesting. This might work. We had been making the content in my house We're like, man, we've got to, this is, we don't want any more heat with the school.
So let's just do it all at the house. But this one exchange, I was like, this is interesting. It was about JK Rowling, a student claiming she was racist. And we knew the audience, this is what the audience wanted. And we had the, I had the clearances. And so I shared it on X, I think. But I was like, the lighting was atrocious. So I ended up deleting it.
The school took that as evidence that I knew I was doing something wrong and I was trying to cover my tracks. That was the lawyer speak that came at me later. But they sat on that for like three weeks, hoping I would do it again. I found out later, like they could have told me, hey, this is what we're talking about, like make these adjustments. But they were waiting for something to use.
It was clearly a tactical mistake. So that would be the mistake. Even I was like, so they pulled me in the office. I was like, did you talk to the student? Did you talk to his parents? I did more than I've ever done. Like the steps are like, yeah, there's this new step though. You have to ask so-and-so that you're super. And I had two sets of supervising principles because it's divided into,
well, you didn't check with this person, so you're gone. And they made it very clear, like, you can either accept, you can accept it now that we want to get rid of you for YouTube because it's not, and I get that in a way, it's like...
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Chapter 7: What role does social media play in shaping public discourse?
It's, I get that. Or we can conduct an investigation and get back to you in three days. Like, you haven't talked to the parents or the student even that you're worried about? Like, do they, the student doesn't care. Like, okay, let's wait. And then they kind of, all that means, and anyone listening to this, if you find yourself in a similar situation, force them into admitting what they're doing.
Be like, okay, you want to find, you're firing me now then. I'm not giving you three days because what they're going to do is try and go through everything and find something better and then point to that.
so anyways a week goes by i recorded a video about it just to process my thoughts i was it was really psychologically it was one of the most difficult periods i've ever been through i came home that day i was just throwing up the whole day i slept on the bathroom floor um and the next day i sat down and recorded something waited i didn't post it for like a week or two and then i did
And JK Rowling reached out, which was a significant gesture for me, meant a lot. Anyway, so he, a week goes by, he needs to get his equipment. He comes over to the house, but he's talking completely different. And he's like, you knew you weren't supposed to do that. I was like, dude, I talked to you about all of these things that we, you told me they were trying to,
He was like, this was, he was trying to like, as though, it was like I couldn't recognize him. He was like, trying to insinuate that I had calculated this to purposely be fired. And it was like he was trying to get me on tape or something. Yeah, I was going to say, it sounds like he was wearing a wire. That's what I meant by the mafioso thing.
But if I try and tell, I've only told this story once. If I tell it, people are like...
that's this sounds like you're just making up a mob movie or something but this is true like and he got his equipment out there and he and didn't say a word which is another indicator something was strange because he wasn't saying anything other than these things and we went outside and he had a cigarette we knew we both knew this was the last time we were going to talk to and we were like best friends wow yeah
And I was like, man, this is, I don't think you understand just the game they're playing here. I was like, and just be careful, like you as well, because this could happen to, and I had seen people get taken out. The principal who hired me was there for eight years, devoted eight years, and the assistant principal who hired me, taken out on the same day, two years prior.
And it was nonsensical reasons. They just will force, they have the ability, because it's not like a regular public school, they have the ability to force through outcomes however they want. It creates a very weird environment.
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Chapter 8: How can understanding narrative laws enhance critical thinking?
So we're not crossing any lines. School contacts me and says, you have our microphones. We're going to use that as leverage for this negotiation where they send an NDA. They said, if you sign this NDA, we'll pay you the rest of what we owe you for the year. We'll pay you for the end of the month, but we'll pay you to the end of the year.
If you sign this NDA, I'll prevent you from ever talking about this. Just go over it with a lawyer, like a person from H, they're very rushed on the phone. They want, do you have any questions? Yeah, I have a lot of questions. Sorry, click, like that kind of thing. I have to get a, how am I gonna afford a lawyer? I don't have any money. And they know that, so they think you're just gonna sign it.
And they insinuate that we'll make it so you can't teach, essentially, we'll give you a good recommendation if you sign this thing. It would also give them control of some of the videos on the YouTube channel as well. So I did not sign it. Peter Boghossian helped me get a lawyer. It cost me... I think she went easy on me because she knew the predicament.
So I think she gave me a break on the cost. It cost $4,000 probably, which is probably a good deal. She negotiated with them. She's like... And she said to me, if I were you, I've never said this to a client. Normally, clients come to me with these offers, these India, they say, just sign it, because why do you need to talk about this? She's like, this is strange.
My advice to you would be, if you can afford to not take, it was like $8,000, $9,000. But to me, that was massive. She's like, if you can afford it, pass on it. Don't do it. And I'm so glad I didn't. I wouldn't be talking to you right now.
What did that entire experience teach you about the education system?
I was talking to these guys about it too. There's a fear that I see at the college level and the high school level around the emotional impact of the students to be able to have these conversations. So like the Sam Richards who I've worked with and I do videos covering him sometimes where he's live streaming his college courses and they do very well because people find it fascinating.
He's very worried about getting shut down. He just got, I was supposed to, I went down and spoke to his class, which is 500 students. And I was supposed to go down this month, but he just texted me the other day and said he has a meeting he's been summoned to by the provost. And he doesn't think they're going to get shut down, but that threat is always looming.
And that's what they're going to use. I told him this earlier on. I was like, it's going to be over the potential for hurt feelings. They probably won't even be able to point to anyone where there is actual hurt. or anyone who really cares, because he's careful about which students he selects. They all know what they're doing before they do it. They understand it.
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