Francis Foster

And they'll go, you know what?

They just wanted it more.

And I look at the characters in your book.

I look at what's happening in society writ large.

I look at these people coming over.

I see the way that they behave.

And I think,

Maybe they just want it more than us.

But also as well, there's another part to this argument is, look, we've spent the last however many years in universities, in the media,

in conversations denigrating the West.

We're racist, we're evil, we're not, we all know the tropes.

And if that's the case, if we are genuinely those things and our civilization is that, then why would you defend it?

Why would you defend your uncle if your uncle is a Nazi or he's a sex offender?

You wouldn't, you'd go- Enough about the Roth family.

But yeah, but why would you?

You wouldn't.

You would just go, this person doesn't deserve to be defended.

And our culture is the same.

When I was reading the book, I was thinking the pandemic must have a significant part to play in all this.

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