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Franco Ordoñez

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341 total appearances

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The NPR Politics Podcast
In Iran, Trump is both escalating and deescalating

The reality on the ground is not necessarily what Trump is looking at.

The NPR Politics Podcast
In Iran, Trump is both escalating and deescalating

He just wants a reason to be able to call something a win, whether it's a peace deal around the country or in this scenario.

The NPR Politics Podcast
In Iran, Trump is both escalating and deescalating

And he's basically done that for the most part, including just yesterday.

The NPR Politics Podcast
In Iran, Trump is both escalating and deescalating

saying that they have basically won the war.

The NPR Politics Podcast
In Iran, Trump is both escalating and deescalating

Clearly, that's not the case.

The NPR Politics Podcast
In Iran, Trump is both escalating and deescalating

But for Trump, I think the victory that he's looking for is if he can basically get the Strait of Hormuz open, then he can at least say by his own definition that they have won the war because, you know, while the regime may still be there, they're clearly degraded.

The NPR Politics Podcast
In Iran, Trump is both escalating and deescalating

And he's kind of backed off and on about whether he really wants regime change or whether at least that's necessary to end this.

The NPR Politics Podcast
In Iran, Trump is both escalating and deescalating

Yeah, I think when the new Supreme Leader was announced, I think that really, you know, kind of changed the narrative for the Trump administration because he was really talking a lot about regime change and all the steps towards regime change before then.

The NPR Politics Podcast
In Iran, Trump is both escalating and deescalating

But then when, you know, kind of Iran dug in their heels and said they were going to continue to fight, the administration quickly kind of backed off that kind of language and focused more on the military goals.

The NPR Politics Podcast
In Iran, Trump is both escalating and deescalating

I did find it interesting, though, yesterday, Trump kind of, you know, twisted himself or at least twisted the language into a little pretzel in order to say that this was still regime change, saying that they have killed so many leaders.

The NPR Politics Podcast
In Iran, Trump is both escalating and deescalating

How could it not be regime change?

The NPR Politics Podcast
In Iran, Trump is both escalating and deescalating

And then floated again, the idea that this new person that they're supposedly talking with could eventually be the person who kind of serves as, you know, and what we've talked about before, this Venezuela type model where it is actually the same regime, but it's a new person involved.

The NPR Politics Podcast
What's the Trump administration's strategy in Iran?

I'm Frank Ordonez.

The NPR Politics Podcast
What's the Trump administration's strategy in Iran?

I also cover the White House.

The NPR Politics Podcast
What's the Trump administration's strategy in Iran?

And I'm Domenico Montanaro, senior political editor and correspondent.

The NPR Politics Podcast
What's the Trump administration's strategy in Iran?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of commotion about that.

The NPR Politics Podcast
What's the Trump administration's strategy in Iran?

What we know is that 2,200 Marines have been dispatched to the region.

The NPR Politics Podcast
What's the Trump administration's strategy in Iran?

with all their equipment, including vehicles and support ships and stuff like that.

The NPR Politics Podcast
What's the Trump administration's strategy in Iran?

What we don't know exactly is what their objective is, but clearly the administration is looking to put a lot more pressure on Iran.

The NPR Politics Podcast
What's the Trump administration's strategy in Iran?

and possibly even looking to seize one or more of the islands off the coast of Iran to help secure the Strait of Hormuz and counter the Iranian attacks on commercial shipping, oil and cargo ships.