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Francois Chollet

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Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

Everyone knows what a kaleidoscope is, right?

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

It's like this cardboard tube with a few bits of colored glass in it.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

These few bits of original information get mirrored and repeated and transformed, and they create this tremendous richness of complex patterns.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

It's beautiful.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

The kaleidoscope hypothesis is this idea that the world in general and any domain in particular follows the same structure, that it appears on the surface to be extremely rich and complex,

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

and infinitely novel with every passing moment.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

But in reality, it is made from the repetition and composition of just a few atoms of meaning.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

A big part of intelligence is the process of mining your experience of the world to identify bits that are repeated.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

and to extract them, extract these unique atoms of meaning.

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)
Why Every Brain Metaphor in History Has Been Wrong [SPECIAL EDITION]

When we extract them, we call them abstractions.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

Sure.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

So ARC is intended as a kind of IQ test for machine intelligence.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

And what makes it different from most LLM benchmarks out there is that it's designed to be resistant to memorization.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

So if you look at the way LLMs work, they're basically this big interpolative memory.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

And the way you scale up their capabilities is by trying to cram as much knowledge and patterns as possible into them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

And by contrast, ARC does not require a lot of knowledge at all.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

It's designed to only require what's known as core knowledge, which is basic knowledge about things like elementary physics, objectness, counting, that sort of thing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

The sort of knowledge that any four-year-old or five-year-old possesses, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

But what's interesting is that each puzzle in Arc is novel, is something that you've probably not encountered before, even if you've memorized the entire internet.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

And that's what makes Arc challenging for LMs.

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