Frank Amedeo
Appearances
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Ex-Mafia Enforcer Breaks Silence: The Brutal Truth About the Mob
The bizarre true story of a bipolar megalomaniacs, insane plan for total world domination available now on Amazon and audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Ex-Mafia Enforcer Breaks Silence: The Brutal Truth About the Mob
Buried by the U.S. government and ignored by the national media, this is the story they don't want you to know. When Frank Amadeo met with President George W. Bush at the White House to discuss NATO operations in Afghanistan, no one knew that he'd already embezzled nearly $200 million from the federal government. money he intended to use to bankroll his plan to take over the world.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Ex-Mafia Enforcer Breaks Silence: The Brutal Truth About the Mob
From Amadeo's global headquarters in the shadow of Florida's Disney World, with a nearly inexhaustible supply of the Internal Revenue Service's funds, Amadeo acquired multiple businesses, amassing a mega conglomerate. Driven by his delusions of world conquest, he negotiated the purchase of a squadron of American fighter jets and the controlling interest in a former Soviet ICBM factory.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Ex-Mafia Enforcer Breaks Silence: The Brutal Truth About the Mob
He began working to build the largest private militia on the planet, over 1 million Africans strong. Simultaneously, Amadeo hired an international black ops force to orchestrate a coup in the Congo while plotting to take over several small Eastern European countries. The most disturbing part of it all is had the U S government not thwarted his plans, he might've just pulled it off. It's insanity.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Ex-Police Officer Reveals Dark Side of Law Enforcement
Furried by the US government and ignored by the national media, this is the story they don't want you to know. When Frank Amedeo met with President George W. Bush at the White House to discuss NATO operations in Afghanistan, no one knew that he'd already embezzled nearly $200 million from the federal government. money he intended to use to bankroll his plan to take over the world.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Ex-Police Officer Reveals Dark Side of Law Enforcement
From Amadeo's global headquarters in the shadow of Florida's Disney World, with a nearly inexhaustible supply of the Internal Revenue Service's funds, Amadeo acquired multiple businesses, amassing a mega conglomerate. Driven by his delusions of world conquest, he negotiated the purchase of a squadron of American fighter jets and the controlling interest in a former Soviet ICBM factory.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Ex-Police Officer Reveals Dark Side of Law Enforcement
He began working to build the largest private militia on the planet, over 1 million Africans strong. Simultaneously, Amadeo hired an international black ops force to orchestrate a coup in the Congo while plotting to take over several small Eastern European countries. The most disturbing part of it all is, had the US government not thwarted his plans, he might have just pulled it off.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Ex-Police Officer Reveals Dark Side of Law Enforcement
It's insanity. The bizarre true story of a bipolar megalomaniac's insane plan for total world domination. Available now on Amazon and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
I know something's wrong when someone tells me about a scam and then my first thought is, nice, are you serious? And then I have to catch myself and go, oh wait, hey, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Don't get to the manager. She's doing this with the ID. Oh, that's, that's, am I, why am I sweating? They pull up your credit card and they go, huh?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Oh, I never said nothing. I never said, I understand that you got a DUI and you did fucking 10 days, or I understand you've got fucked up and you went to jail for 18 months. Okay. But you weren't looking at 26 fucking years and you don't fucking know me. And first of all, I, I,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
It is. It's crazy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. You've got, to me, bank robbers that are zip-tying people and taking over banks and getting away with, granted, no money, but you're terrifying people, and they're getting six years, seven years. So you got out when? I got out in July 2019. All right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And I'll tell you what happened to me after that. I mean, my judgment commitment, you know, says that I cannot work or consult and... In finance, real estate, development, or construction for some reason. So you can't even consult? No. For one year, I had to take... a behavior modification class where you meet with a psychiatrist once, you know, once, one hour a week. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Of course, I have the financial where I have to fill out the form, but I also have to fill out a paperwork every month to tell them how much money came in to come up with my restitution. I still owe like six million. Okay. I'm good for it. Yeah, I know you are.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Oh, yeah. No, no. Me too. They're going to take them forever. But other than, you know, obviously I have to do the piss test and I can't travel or do anything like that. Although I have traveled, I just had to get permission from the court. Had to get my passport back. Now, keep in mind, two of my charges are... Passport fraud.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Well, one was fraudulent application of a passport, and one is actually use of a fraudulent. So you filed one under someone else's name for renewal or something?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
I had two dozen passports.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
That's pretty good, right? 27 driver's licenses in seven different states.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
How do you not know the process? And so as we're – so I'm sitting there going on and on. But they were like, you know, well, when you were making the synthetic identities, like, well, I don't understand. I thought the – I thought like, well, how could you stop something like that?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Yeah, I would go... You know, as long as... I mean, as long as like I get your information in South Carolina, I can go to Tennessee. Right, because they didn't have reciprocity at that point. Yeah, they don't have, they can, they work on a hub system where they can request, immediately they can request like the data, but they can't get the photo for like 48 hours or 72 hours or something.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And it's like, okay, if he gives me the ID, I'm good. If there's a question, they just don't give you the idea. They're like, I don't know. Something's not right. But it wasn't not right because I would walk in with the real social, the real person to do it, the real this, the real that. I registered to vote. I got this. I got that. The register to vote. I mean, that's one of the steps.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
You got to do that. It's good because these are all real documents. So you're sitting there like, I'm ready to argue. If you have a problem, I'm ready to argue because I know everything's good. So how did you get 27 passports? Through the State Department. They don't ask for, everybody always says- Is this pre 9-11 or after? Oh no, this is all after. Yeah, this is after. I remember that now.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Everybody always says, oh, they ask for your fingerprints. No, they don't. As a matter of fact, I just got my passport a year ago to go to Amsterdam to do a show called Inside the Mind of a Con Artist. Okay. I got my passport then. No fingerprints. I did get stopped on the way back in.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Yeah, these guys had never had passports. I was getting homeless people. So I'd go and I... Not bad. Not bad. I like where your head's at. Not bad.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
that outside of the box thinking i i actually had i made a a statistical survey form and it looked so good and it was a couple pages it was like 17 questions and i would go out to where the homeless people were i made a salvation badge and i walk out there and i'd say hey can i talk to you real quick and they'd get they'd look at me like they'd go oh yeah what's up i go listen i work for the salvation army we're trying to figure out where we're gonna put our next uh indigent uh um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
our next homeless shelter say you like crackers i got some crackers 20 bucks you know i'm not 20 dollars or mad dog what do you want 20 dollars and then would go and borrow like a million million point five in their name yeah so you know maybe not fair trade but still they were happy i had nobody said i well they couldn't have done it themselves no no there you go
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And so I would just say, hey, by the way, 20 bucks. We're trying to figure out, you know, where to put our next homeless facility. Just a survey. And they were like, yeah, what's up, man? I say, OK, just quick, real quick. I give them, you know, here, let's do this. Name, date of birth, social security number. Mother's maiden name, you know, where you live or last known address.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Like what they said, what kind of procedures could be put in place that could stop someone from, from, or the bank from going forward with the loan? I went, well, the procedures are already in place. They just don't follow them. That's exactly right. And they went, they go like, what I said, well,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Where did you live? Where did you live? You ever been a member of the military? Do you get social security disability? Have you ever had a U.S. passport? Have you had any identifications? And if so, in which states? Yeah, so basically you're just fishing in person. What high school did you go to? Because you can get their high school transcripts. So I get their information.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
I then order all their information, get it all in. And then I know he's had an ID here and here or a driver's license here and here. I just go two states over and I walk right in and say, listen, I just moved. I lost my license in the move. I don't know what you need. And then you start, I know what you need.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
I know, but I identify as a black man.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
with a good pair of shoes so um yeah so i would get they would just go in and they give me the id then you turn around you immediately go and fill out for your i would immediately fill out for my um you know my passport go get the passport photos walk into the uh u.s post office where they have a passport control you walk in there you sit down you do your little boom boom boom they go okay great they sign off they give you your stuff they take your
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
birth certificate, they mail it back ten days later. Used to be if you paid extra within about six weeks, you got it. Now it's like three months before you get it. Right. But yeah, I would get them and I just get them. And I've been in and out on the run. I went to Greece, Croatia, Bermuda, Mexico, Jamaica, Italy. I just already said Greece.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Yes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Girlfriend.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Yeah. Stingray? What? Oh, yeah, yeah. The stingray. Yeah, that's right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
No, no. Wait. But, okay. But you were saying... So, those were the constraints on me. Like, I was ready to work at McDonald's, by the way. I was okay with that. So, did you have... I didn't. Did you have trouble getting a job? I got lucky. And a buddy of mine... owned a gym and hired me in the halfway house.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And then by the time I got out of the gym, I was being asked to go on different people's podcasts and I'd written a book. So I had published the book. I'd written like seven books. So I started publishing books. Self-published or you had a publisher? Well, so one of them was One of them was published by a publishing company.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
But I mean, I got like a, like a, you know, of course I was in prison, you know, like a $3,500 advance, barely make any money on the thing. Um, and I got made more money publishing on Amazon self-publishing than I've ever, oh, way more, way more than I ever made on that. Um, But I also had optioned the film rights to some guys. I got them in Rolling Stone magazine, optioned film rights. Nice.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
almost not every time but a good majority of the time when i would actually go because a lot of times i'd go into the bank the reason i go in the bank and show my face is because if i call on the phone you're already thinking i don't know this person but if i walk in i give you my id and i'm standing in front of you already don't think fraud You're done at that point.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Got out, optioned a couple more film rights. So I got out. So I had a little bit there coming in, and I started painting. You saw my painting.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
That's where you need to go. So I moved into somebody's spare room. But I wasn't, like I had all these job offers and every time I called my probation officer, it was no, no, no, no. And so, yeah, I would have been back into real estate very quickly or finance or something, but I'm restricted from doing that. For how long? Five years. Five years.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And I can't get off probation early because I owe $6 million. Yeah, you're not going to get off that early. Right. Unless you violate, then they might kill it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Yeah, at that point, they're like, this guy's good. He came in the bank. He's sitting here. So they would pull my credit right then. I apply right then. They pull my credit. I've got the W-2s. I've got my pay stubs. I've got everything I want. Oh, your bank statements. Yeah, I've got my bank statements. Are these enough? Yeah, yeah, I've got those.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
So, well, it's not a good question because like I've had such a good interview, you know, and it's been fun and we've been laughing and, and then we get sober. Right. And the problem is, is emotionally when I start to talk about it or think about it, I tear up. Like when you're like, when you're like, you know, I cried like that. Listen, cried like a small child at my sentence.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And when I think about the person I was and the person I am, Although I laugh and I love that time in my life and I love doing those things. But I think about like when you went to jail. Right. The one thing I know when the one thing you never once laid in bed and thought about was, God, I miss that nice car. God, I miss that. You don't think that shit at all.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Huh. huh is not what you want to hear sit in the bay my first thought is how close did i park exactly like they're typing they stop and it's like huh yeah or yeah even worse when they grab your i've had them take the id and go hold on a second and stand up it's like oh my god you know you have to get that id back i'll need that back he just walked away with my fake id
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
All you thought about was I miss Michelle. I miss my fucking kids. I miss my cat. I miss like that's it. That's it. Oh, I ever gave a shit. Don't worry about that material stuff at all. Absolutely. And that's exactly what happened was I went to prison. angry, pissed off, furious, didn't deserve this much time, these piece of garbage, say this. And I was reasonable.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
I was like, yeah, okay, I broke the law, but I didn't deserve this much time. And even to this day, I'm like 26 years, come on. It's a lot of time. It's a lot of time, but it's like, you don't get to choose. So you're putting yourself at their mercy the moment you do that. And I think that I started thinking that way. met a buddy of mine. He got like 30, he actually got 40 years.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And, you know, we started talking. And one of the things he had told me one time was, you know, you can't go to prison and continue to think in the same manner that led you to prison and leave prison and not expect to come back. Right. And I was, you know, and that's more than just, oh, no, no, but I'm not going to commit crime. He's like, it's not the crime. It was your thought process.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
So, and you'll eventually commit a crime, you know, if you keep thinking like that. So what happened is, you know, went to prison, wrote a memoir, my memoir. Okay. And when I was writing that memoir, I ended up writing the first draft, which was horrible. I had to rewrite it, read several books about how to write.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And ended up writing this little tiny book, and I wish I could remember it. And the woman was like, look, you need to look into your life. One of the things you need to do is look in your life and figure out what the key moments were that helped create the person that you are today so that it will explain to the reader – it will give the reader reasons what helped craft you. And I used to hate –
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
to think about, to complain about my childhood or anything. You know, I don't want to say that because you meet, I mean, you meet guys that were like chained to fucking, they were locked up in the basement or their parents beat them almost to death or they, you know, horrible things. That it was like, I didn't have that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
You know, my dad's an alcoholic, you know, and it's like, what am I crying about? Daddy didn't love me enough. Like, But the truth is, I rewrote that book. And as I wrote that book and really started focusing on that, I started realizing that there were definite things that led me to be the person that committed those crimes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And then the other thing I focused, started realizing was like, what a selfish, narcissistic prick I am. And I find it today.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Like guys are like, well, if you, if you know that about yourself, you can, you, you know, at least you can help change that. I'm like, I try. I mean, I like being an asshole sometimes. I agree. I, I, and that's the worst part is, is like, you're trying to change someone who just loves himself. That's hard. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
But, but one of the things is like, I, what really started bothering me was I took RDAP. Did it do you any good? It did after for me. I think it did great for me. Although I had learned most of these lessons by the time I got in it. Right. But I really felt like it helped me really kind of figure out what my issues were. And I remember...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
I didn't notice it so much, but everybody that talked to me on the phone, I talked to my ex-wife and five minutes in, she'd be like, okay, what's going on? Yep. And I go, what? She'd go, we've been talking for five minutes. You know my kids' names. You're asking how Nick is. You're not just focusing on you. Yeah. You haven't fucking said, you haven't told me what's going on with you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And I've asked twice and I'm like, I mean, nothing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Because the truth is, when I have most conversations, I am typically barely listening. And most of the time, I'm really just waiting for an opportunity so that I can turn the conversations that I can talk about me. And that is such a selfish, fucked up thing. And when I see myself telling myself at the beginning of a conversation, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And then 20 minutes later, I realize we've been talking about me for 10 minutes. And I think...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
She's doing this with the ID. Oh, that's, that's, am I, why am I sweating? So, and then, you know, they, but they would sit down and they'd go, huh? Sometimes they, sometimes they pull up your credit, but they go, huh? And I go, you know, it's everything in me not to go, what? You know? And I go, what, what's up?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Nothing? Yeah, I was—
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And you know what, what's funny too, because I've anybody watching this as Washington, like I've probably said this a thousand times is that you know had millions all the money i needed in the world before prison i'm on i'm on uh uh xan i'm not well yeah i've got a prescription for xanax um paxil uh i'm miserable i'm unhappy i've got i got a girlfriend and a girl my girlfriend's got a girlfriend
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
I've got tons of money. I got great vehicles. I'm traveling nonstop. I'm living great. I'm not concerned about being on the run. And even prior to that, when I wasn't on the run, I was just committing crime. I was just miserable, unhappy. And then I get out of prison with nothing. And I used to love to tell people that I wanted, they were like, what are you gonna do when you get out?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
I'm like, I'm working at McDonald's. And because, and they were like, why? I was like, because I wanna work at McDonald's. I wanna live in someone's spare room. I wanna start at the bottom because I was so much happier in prison. And so much happier getting out of prison than I ever was prior to that, having everything I ever fucking wanted.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Because to me, it's like, I'm so like, you know, it is, it's the whole, I hate the term I'm blessed, you know, but I am blessed. I'm thrilled. I'm happy. I have people around me that like me because they want to be around me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Not because I'm going to make them 300,000 next, next month, or they're getting 50,000 here or a hundred thousand here, or they're just hanging out with me to fucking hang out with me. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
yeah like like you know because when you get arrested you find out that those friends ain't oh no no the more money i made for people the the quicker they hung up the phone if they picked it up at all the people that i never made any money for showed up and came to see me would come visit me would send me would look stuff up for me send me books would it was such a reality fucking check for me to go to go to prison you know with me and i'm i'm really no different on that it's um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And they'd say, well, it says that your, it says your social security number was issued within the last year. And I go, really? Yeah, then I'm going, huh? Can I get my ID? No. And I go, really? And they go, yeah. And you know, your credit cards are only... They're all about a year old. And I go, right, right. And then I go, what does it say my date of birth is? Knowing...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
Yeah. I, you know, it's funny, the, uh, the support group thing, because like, I used to, like, I can't mess up. Like, like I, it's like, if you had a support group, I think it would almost be detrimental to me because I'm like, I'm like, I had nothing. I can't, you know what I'm saying? I cannot screw up. I cannot. And listen, it was so bad. I think, I think I told both of you this the other day.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
was somebody, I was at work and somebody said, like I was saving every penny I had. Somebody goes, hey, Matt, I'm going to, where are they going? Whatever, a sandwich shop. We're going to a sandwich shop. You want me to get you something? And I went, no, I'm good. I got a bag of lunch from the halfway house. Okay, right, right, right. Peanut butter and jelly or whatever it was, bologna.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And I said, no, I got a bag of lunch. And his name was Leanne. And Leanne goes, she said, Matt, she goes, come on, you eat that every day. She goes... Get a sandwich from Jimmy John's. Get a sandwich from Jimmy John's. And I went, no, no. I said, I'm good. She goes, come on. And I went, she was, I said, honestly, I don't have any money. I don't have money to do that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And she looked at me and she goes, it's fine. I'll get it for you. And I went, okay, listen, Leanne, you're not understanding. Let me be perfectly clear. She was there. My boss is there.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And I said, if out of the goodness of your heart, you want to buy me a sandwich, I said, yes. I said, that's fine. I'll take it. I said, but if you're expecting some kind of reciprocation from me, I said, like two days from now, I'll give you the money back. Or next week, I'm going to buy you a sandwich. I said, I am not in a position to buy you a sandwich.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
I will not be in a position to buy you a sandwich for years, possibly, at the rate I'm going. At the rate I'm going. I said, so if you want to give me a sandwich, that's great. I will take it. If not, I have a bag of lunch. Thank you. And she looked at me and she went. I looked around at everybody and she goes, I'm going to get you a sandwich.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
And I was like, I was just that, I was that like, like I bought $300 worth of clothes from Walmart in the halfway house.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
From FBI’s Most Wanted to Scam Expert | Cybercriminal Exposes Modern Scams
But it's just like the materialistic stuff. just dropped down to nothing for me. Like I don't want it. Everything I buy is from Ross or Marshalls or that's it. Like I'm not, I couldn't, I don't think I physically could, would be able to pay like 150 bucks for a shirt now. And back then I was paying three, 400 bucks for blue jeans. It's like blue jeans. They sell them at Walmart for $29.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Are you serious? What was your brand back then you're paying $300 for? Oh, they were Diesel. Diesel, Diesel. I don't even know if they're still out. I know nothing about clothes now. I barely knew it then, but the girl I was with, she's like, oh, these are Diesel. You have to get Diesel.
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that it's going to say the right thing because I'm the one that inputted it. When I applied for these credit cards, it populated it. It automatically created a credit profile. So they would go, yeah, it says you were born in 1970. I'm born in 69, but I always use July 7th, 1970. So all I have to remember is sevens.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They're expensive. They're expensive. They're expensive. Strippers, I mean. Yeah, they're expensive. Yeah, the jeans are expensive, too. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So now you're doing the channel and you're speaking gigs.
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But I speak across the planet. And we'll put the link in the description. I appreciate that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm doing all right. It's funny if you just try and just kind of, it sounds so hokey, I hate to even say it, you just try and do the right thing. It's like good things start to kind of happen to you. It does.
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Well, thank you for coming on. Thank you for driving. Thank you. Okay. And... What am I? What? We're good? Okay. Sorry. Hey. If you like the video, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this. Share the video. And please share the video because people leave comments like, I don't understand why your channel doesn't have more subscribers.
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And I don't understand why you don't have more viewers. And it is specifically because you did not share the videos to your friend and family. That's why I don't have more subscribers. It's because of you. Not because I'm not amazing. That's right. You are outstanding. I watched a video of mine the other day and I thought, damn. You subscribed to your own video. You're good. You should be huge.
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What's happening? So leave me a comment in the comment section. I try and respond to most of the comments. And also I wrote a whole bunch of true crime books. When I was locked up, Colby's going to play a bunch of trailers that I made. I made the trailers myself. So if you say, hey, who did your trailers? I did them. And all the links to my books are in the description box.
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They'd go, yeah, it says 1970. I'd go, huh. And they'd go, this is your social security card number. And I'd go, yeah. They'd go, have you always used this? And I would go... yeah, it's all my W-2s. And they would say, then they have already have two. So they look and they go, yeah, yeah. And then I go, yeah, you know what? I said, hold on a second.
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And we're going to leave a link to Brett's channel. It's the Brett Johnson Show. It's on YouTube. We're going to leave a link on that. And I appreciate you guys watching. See you.
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I always have one that was like five or six years old. Pull it out and I'd go, yeah, same thing. And sometimes I'd even have 1040s, like the actual tax return. I go, I got my tax return from like 10 years ago. Pull that out and they'd go, All right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, they probably would have said, let me get back with you. Let me check this. But one, I'm in person. But two, they're also thinking, I want this to go through because I make a fee. Like it definitely works on brokers, mortgage brokers. I want it to go through. He's given me a reasonable explanation. It's an issue. I have this stuff. Maybe somebody else will catch it. Well, it just got through.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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If you saw anything you like, links to all the books are in the description box.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You were the first line of defense. It just got through you. The next guy, you're giving him a package of all the stuff. The likelihood that he's even going to recognize that little – that it said fraud in this one part – is very unlikely, especially when you just gave him a full package, W-2s, pay stubs. You gave him, I put money down. There's bank statements. There's an appraisal order.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Okay. Would also like payday loans and where they cash advances?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Everybody thinks I'm legit. You've got a driver's license. All he had to do was call Social Security. Or go on, it's uscitizen.gov, I think. Take the name and the number and the date of birth and put it in. It would have said it doesn't match. There's all these little things you could have done, but you saw a fee. I gave you a semi-reasonable explanation.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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If you had any training at all, you would have known synthetic identity. You would have known, no. Yeah. Let me check. It's worth a call.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They didn't care. He's going to make $2,500 or $3,500 for a broker fee. Maybe he gets 60% of that. He works at a bank. Maybe he gets less than that. What does it matter? He still has a, he still has a close so many loans. If it's a broker, he's getting 50, 60% of a three, $4,000 fee. He wants this to go through. Sure. So, but yeah, so like there's all these systems that are in place.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They just don't, they don't follow them. They don't.
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I mean, this was 2000 and up to 2000, 2000, late 2006. OK, but I mean, that same system, same system. Exactly.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I was easier at that point. I was going to say, listen, now you can go online and just like. I used to have to make my W-2s and PAs. I used to have to know some math. Now you don't have to know anything. It's like, how much do you make an hour? I don't know. Was it $30? How much does that come to? Oh, 40 hours a week. It'll populate everything for you.
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Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I would think some kind of a benefit to them. Like if you were going to make money on reporting that fraud and if it was prosecuted or even catching it, maybe they would. But there's no benefit for him to catch that fraud, that broker to catch that fraud, or even let's say the employees that knew what was going on in those companies that clearly see it, that they know what's going on.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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For them to say something isn't beneficial to them. They lose their life or they lose their job. Most likely there's an investigation. It costs them tons of money to go meet with the FBI. They lose days at work. They lose all these things. They get labeled as a snitch or the person that brought this company down. The whistleblower laws are bullshit. Like they don't almost nobody.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, they're always screwed over. So if you actually utilize the whistleblower laws that are already on the books and gave people 10 percent and gave them this much money and and gave them. incentive to turn to to actually follow the laws that are already there, then I would think that people would start. Then I'd be looking for fraud. Well, sure. I want to find some fraud. It's quick.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I get a check quicker for returning the fraud than I do with this loan. Probably loan might not even go through, but I know I know that's fraud.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Would it be false? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in that case, I don't know what else what that other than that could be. There's some stuff that I think it's just education. There's just no education. Some of these people just don't know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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What's even worse is when a little thing goes wrong here, little tiny things, and you get past them, then I got to the point where I would walk in the bank, I'm ready to argue. They're like, well, we're going to call the manager. Call them. You've got $80,000 of my money in this bank. And they're like, damn. Yeah, I'd be pretty upset about that, too.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And you're saying this, and you're like, I don't know who you need to call. And they're like, oh, wow, Jesus. Just cut this guy a check. Yeah, let's waive that policy. He's like, all right, just get out of here. Because I'm also thinking to myself, like,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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in my case like if the cops show up like i i was so confident about it like i have a real id right i have a real like i don't the cops not going to show up say we're going to run your id run it yeah the dmv five miles away issued it that's my pictures coming up so if that's the case But some of these guys are using fake IDs and fake this and fake that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But if they still were to walk in, you get so good at knowing what their bank's procedures are. You know them better than... Like I would know if I walked in and said, hey, if I asked for over $3,500... then on a new account that had been issued within the last six months, I knew they had to call another branch to talk to somebody to get clearance, even though I had 100 and 200,000 in the bank.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I would go in and I'd say, so I knew, I either walk in and I asked for, you know, $3,100 or I might as well ask for 9,800.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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one of them you know i'm saying like go bigger just exactly so it's like yeah 3100 why because i got six more banks to do today you know or i say i got three banks to do today 9500 you know i'll wait in 10 15 minutes yeah oh you're gonna make your call yeah you're gonna want my id you're gonna want my credit card here's my social security number also you're gonna want to know my home address it's such and such you know like i knew what the questions were coming before they know all right so so
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So this company could go out and say, hey, your company is – were they actually soliciting business? Or were people going to them and saying, hey, I have a company. I need to borrow PPP money. Can you help facilitate that?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, the bar is definitely at a different level.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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i was gonna say and if i don't know it i'm more than happy to say i never did that i don't know i don't because i have people ask me you know hey will you talk about you know stock fraud will you talk about pump and dumps we talk about like i i don't know anything about it i can google it yeah like i mean i watched i watched wolf of wall street i understand the basic concept i was in jail with some guys we'll get jordan if you want to talk about that yeah but i couldn't you know um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It's so funny too. Cause you could always tell the guys that know it. Cause suddenly they're talking about, well, you gotta, well, you know, the first thing you gotta do is you gotta file for a such and such and this and that you gotta fill this out. You gotta fill that. You gotta go to the light.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. And it's like, okay, I have no clue what's happening. So I don't talk about it. Cause the thing is, you know, like, you know, a fisherman knows a fisherman, you know? So if somebody's, you know, look, it's just, it's like with the cops for a cop to go undercover and, People think, oh, well, they go under. Listen, that's difficult. It's dangerous. Criminals talk in a certain way.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And drug addicts and drug dealers know they have a certain. And they will know very quickly, like, oh, man, you don't know what you're talking about.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I go, you know, it's everything in me not to go, what? He realizes, wait a second.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. It's so funny, too. I was going to say, I know multiple guys that literally, like, they would come in. So, you know, you'd have a drug dealer or something introduce another guy, and they'd start talking for five minutes, and the guy would say, yeah, he's a cop. And they'd just walk away. Like, they'd walk away. Like, how did he know? He's like, I don't know what I said. I don't know this.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I don't know that. He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Yeah. Or even if you said the right things, you didn't say it correctly. Right. You know what I'm saying? You're saying, you know, I need social security numbers. It's like, OK, well, nobody's going to say social security numbers because you have to say it over and over. They're going to abbreviate.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And what are the abbreviations for all of these different things? You know, just like if I talk to somebody in the business or as a mortgage broker, you know, somebody because nobody in the mortgage industry. says a mortgage loan application. They call them 1003s because that's the form. Hey, do you have a 1008? Do you have a 1003?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They know the forms and it's easier to say and you're in the industry and you see it all the time and you hear it all the time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right. So for you to go on and do that, because I've talked to guys before, because I wrote a story recently where, and I talked to an ATF agent who went undercover for a long, you know, for a long time. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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uh multiple times and and he he had explained like like it it's he was you have to really be that person like he he's like like i literally would let my uh you know my beard grow i wouldn't shave i wouldn't shower for a day or two i'm wearing the same clothes over and over again he's like because he said you have a certain look what these guys in the gun community have you know and he said it's
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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it's he's like and they say certain things and he said so i had to hang out with these guys to get that down he said even then he said it takes a while before you're comfortable enough he is because he's dealing in guns like it could go bad yeah um but uh but also he was we were talking about how a lot of times they have to introduce you slowly and then they have to get rid of the main guy and then kind of hand you off for you know your your credibility you know their your credibility so
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But it's the same thing on – Bozak was – it's the same thing when he was buying plastic and he was – he has all these things, how he had to buy this, how he had to do this, how he had to repackage this, how he had to put – because they would – You know, he'd bubble wrap this and he'd vacuum seal this and he'd stick in an invoice.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He's like, you know, he's like, you learn this stuff after getting caught so many times.
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and it's a learning process over and over and and you know how how you got to that oh yeah like i know how do i know well because one time this happened but if it's an undercover and they say how'd you figure that out he better have a story you know uh well the ci told me this is how it has to be done exactly my guy told me yeah he didn't walk me through everything but he told me um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I got, I just, what was the guy, what did you call him? The kingpin? Dark web kingpin. Who was this? This guy, listen to this. Actually, I've had a couple of these guys. Real guy or not? No, no, real guys. Real guys. Listen, I'm going to mention the ATM guy. So listen, I have an ATM guy that contacted me. So he had from a Bitcoin machine. I didn't even know they had Bitcoin.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They were cash machines, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, no, he didn't do that. He worked for Loomis. He worked for Loomis. So he's going and checking the ATMs. He checks the ATMs. He said, well, there was a problem with the Bitcoin machines. He said they never knew. Like the other machines, they would say, look, You have to go refill the machine with, you know, here, here's a, it's, you know, 300,000 or 200,000 and you put the package.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He said, then you pull whatever the deposits were. He's, but they know it's out of money. Sure. They know how much he's like, the Bitcoin wasn't like that. The Bitcoins, cause they're like privately owned. He said, they go in and they're like, Hey, check that machine. See if there's anything in it. He's like, what do you mean? See if there's anything in it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He's like, you'd go and I'd come back and I'd be like, yeah, there was nothing in it. Or I'd go and I'd say, yeah, there was like $20,000, you know? And he said, so at one point I realized like they, like the company knows, but the, my company doesn't know. So one day I went and I swung by to check it and he said, I took 10 grand. Yeah, it's stuck in my pocket. He's like, there's a camera.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It's over there. He said, but it can't see. I just looked in the machine. I step in my pocket. I close it, and I leave. It's like a week later, they call him in the office. Can you come in here? And he's like, yeah, what's up? They're like, so we don't really, you know, we feel like something happened. There's an issue. There's some money.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I think he said he didn't even really know how much money was. They didn't never really said how much money was even missing. He's like, I don't even know that they knew how much money was missing. But anyway, they basically said, look, like you, you know, you basically, you can keep showing up.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You can keep coming to work, you know, but eventually we're going to figure out something or you can just like, and he said, basically, I felt like they were saying, they're gonna figure out a way to fire me. He said, or you can just leave. And he said, I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna leave. So he left. So for 10 grand, he just left. For 10 grand, right, which is nothing. But he never got caught.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He sends me an email. He says, hey, you want to hear this story? He tells me basically the story. And I was like, sure. So I talked to him on the phone. I go, okay, okay. And he goes, and I said, okay. I said, so what do you want to do? And he said, well, what do you think? It's a good story. I said, yeah, I think it's an interesting story. Do you want to come on the podcast and tell it?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He goes, yeah, I should. All right. Nice.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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and so he he came on the podcast and yeah and i told him and i told even before that i said you know i said let me explain something i said i have a lot of guys this is what happens they'll come on the podcast and i said i said look i said i'm gonna tell you right now i said if it's a if it's a zoom interview um i said you're looking at getting between five and ten thousand views
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, if it's an exceptional interview, maybe 15 or 20, you know, if it's in person, I get about 40 percent more views. That's what I and that's just my, you know, calculation. Sure. Based on really very little. But I feel like I get probably right. Right. About 30, 40 percent more. Someone's in person based on. Yeah. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Periodically, you get somebody that just they're here and just nobody's interested. That's right. Right. But for the most part, I think it's about 30, 40% more. So I explained it to him. And I said, so here's the problem. I said, I've had guys come on. We do the podcast. They say some things that they weren't thinking at the time. Like they forget the cameras are there.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I said, and then they end up, the podcast comes out. They then tell all their friends about the podcast. And then two days later, they call me up or they start texting me saying, hey, listen. I should have never said this about Jimmy. He's furious. Exactly. Or, hey, listen, that's going to cause me problems at my work. My boss said this. And I had one guy that went so far.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I came back and I was like, yeah, listen, bro. I said, like... Like I spent money to have, you know, a guy come here and do this. And so, you know, come and I was like, that's a couple hundred bucks. You know, I have, you know, I have like, I have an agreement with someone. Like I can't be putting stuff up and taking it down. We had the conversation.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And the only reason any of these people know about your, like it didn't come up on their feed. You called these people because you're nobody. Like your name's John. Because you're nobody.
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To what? You did. And then you're upset because you're like, you know, Jimmy calls up and says, hey, you fucking used my name. You said that fucked up shit that we did. And nobody knows about it. So Jimmy's in trouble with his wife and so on. So now I might lose my job. And then so this one guy literally got worse and worse and worse. Right.
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Like within a week, he's calling me up saying, you know, oh, he's talking about his kids are getting picked on. He's going to lose his job. They pulled him aside. And you don't think of any of that. Yeah. And I sat there and I was like, and I knew it was all bullshit. Like I'm like, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay. Right. Right. Okay. All right. Yeah. I said, look, I'm not. Let me talk to Colby.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Let me see if I get it taken down. I called Colby. I said, yeah, this is what the guy is saying. Colby is like, you know, look, yeah, we'll take it down. We'll take it down. So I call him back. I say, Colby said no. No, he's a dick. Oh, shit. He's a dick. I blame everything on Colby. I'm a nice person. I want to help. He said no. I want to help you. He's unreasonable.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I don't know what this problem is. He doesn't care about you like I do. He says the show's going viral. Everyone likes it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So, yeah. So, what happened with the Bitcoin guy? To the Bitcoin guy? Yeah. I tell him this whole thing. I tell him, like, look, don't call me up later because of anything that you've said. He's like, that's fine. They chose not to prosecute me. They're not going to prosecute me. Yeah, they're not. They've already this. He said, plus, he said, it's a small town.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I said, look, keep in mind, don't be calling all your buddies, telling them. Fucking idiot. I said, no. So, I told him, don't do that. And he said, well, do you think I'll get charged? I said, no. I don't think you might. No, he's, I don't, I still don't think he's going to, but he did get upset.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. Oh, listen, it gets worse. And there's tons of people going. And then, of course, they're calling him names and stuff. And so, you know, and they're calling him names. And, you know, look. These are not professional speakers that you're talking to. So they're people are mean.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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know like they're going on and on wearing sunglasses he was wearing sunglasses and it was done um but but so we he goes on and on and and i'm you know i come back first he says look bro can you do me a favor oh this was the worst somebody used like a spoof app someone tracked down his phone number and spoofed him saying they were from loomis's home office And texted him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And he's like, yeah, they texted me. I said, listen, Loomis is not going to text you. He's like, well, it says it's from Loomis. It says Loomis, you know, whatever, home office. And I said, bro, I said, call him back. Call him back. Tell him to email you. I said, I guarantee you he's not going to have a Loomis email. And he goes, okay. So he calls back and he goes, oh, it's like a Google number.
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It's like a Google. You know, I was like, okay, bro. He's like, yeah, I knew it was bullshit. I said, yeah, he did. So then it goes on. Then he comes back and he says, can you please blur my face on the thumbnail? No problem. I blur it. Colby, will you?
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Yeah, yeah. Then Colby, then another week goes by. So you're much more charitable than I would be. Oh, no. Typically, I would be like, like if he started saying, you got to take it down, I'd be like, no, I'm not taking it down. You agreed to come on. Right. Like you knew this. And we had a conversation.
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Right. All right? Well, plus, for them, it's— They make money on it. They're just brokers, right? That's exactly right.
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And so he, so anyway, then he comes back and he asks, can you blur my whole face out through the whole video? Oh, wow. You can do that. Colby did it. Was it hard or was it a pain? It takes like 10 minutes. So you went that extra step of blurring him out there? Blurred his face out. But then again, he did like put his name on the thing. You can't do both. You can't blur. Can you?
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Right. And people don't understand. You could if he took the video down, but he's not going to take the video down. Because once it's posted, if you take it down, you're reposting the video. It starts all over. And then I have to listen to a thousand people scream, this was on last week, motherfucker.
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So, you know, I told him and he's OK with it. He's like, look, I'm OK with it. You blurred me out. You did this. You did that. I'm fine. I'm good with it. I appreciate it. I'm not trying to tell you how to run your channel. That's fine. Well, so that's one guy that calls me. Second guy that calls me was put a little more forethought into it. And this was this guy's name was Colby, too.
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This Colby tells me. Look, some guys in the comment section are like, you can't tell a story. The truth is, he told a fucking phenomenal story. You would love it. He's selling stuff on the dark web, right? He used Torah, whatever. He goes on a forum. He becomes a vendor. He's selling drugs on counterfeit drugs. So...
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he's in any and the thing is now people are bashing him because it was you know i don't want to say you know it's it was i can say can i say it the active ingredient fentanyl yeah right okay let's see i'm worried about youtube trust me we're constantly battling youtube we say stuff so i told him don't say it oh i said like you want to say it once or twice that's fine but then stop saying it just say and he goes no i'll just say the active ingredient and i said okay so
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he did say it like once or twice and then said the active ingredient then everybody's hammering him like oh this guy he doesn't want he knows what he's selling poison he doesn't want it's like i asked him but my my comment section it's it's like it's a sewer it's they're horrible they are vicious to people they hate them so were they mad that he was that he was selling drugs or just fake drugs
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If you're selling anything with that product in it, people... And that's a problem. That is a problem. Well, people feel like you're selling... Like you're trying to kill people. To him, it's like... One guy's like, you know, he's killing people. Listen... this is us government. If they could pin a murder on him or even, you know, they would like, there's no, and listen, he sent me his PSR.
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Like I read his PSR. Like the government never says anything about there being any deaths related to in any way.
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Right. Absolutely. So we, we have this long conversation. He and I have this conversation one about prison afterwards. We talked about prison and what to do, what not to do. Um, I thought he does laugh a lot. Like he's very jovial guy. Right. Which is great. Right. I'd rather talk to that guy. Like people make fun of that.
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You know, if he's always laughing and joking about what he did, like, come on, he's just a fucking happy person.
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Right. I'm not happy that I had to do all that time in prison.
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People always forget about that.
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You're not happy about that shit. It's like, where am I? I was constantly seeing stuff going, what did I do to myself? What did I do? So, yeah, so anyway, that guy, that video is actually doing great. It's got like, what, over 30,000?
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oh that's nice yeah since in two days so in just over two days over 30 000 years right on a on a on a stream yard but that we did it like a month or so ago and then after like just as we did it he called he got like he he realizes wait a second i haven't been sentenced yet And so I'm sitting there talking to him. Like, we were still on the thing. I turned off the recording.
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Or did you hear that conversation? Or had I shut off the recording?
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He asked me. Yeah, I did shut it. Because I remember he goes, are you recording? I said, no, I shut it off. He goes, yeah, listen, the more I think about this. He goes, can you hold this for a little bit? And I was like... And keep in mind, too, as he's telling the story, like, I don't hear the whole two-hour story. Like, I heard some pieces of it. Sounds good. He sent me some documents.
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I read them. It looks legit. Let's go. Like, I'm not, you know... I'm not Woodward and Bernstein here. I mean, this is a fucking YouTube show. So I was like, yeah, let's do it. So as he's talking, I start to realize like he was raided. They arrested him. He got out. He this, he that. And I'm like, okay, so when are you? So what did you get? He's like, oh, I haven't been sentenced yet.
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I'm thinking. And here you are talking about this shit. And we kept talking because I thought.
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something something he's gonna say something something's gonna happen i was like so you haven't been sent no no my lawyer's saying i'm gonna get this much time blah blah blah and i was like okay when is your ass out if i hear this yeah when are you getting sentenced and then so once we shut it off he starts thinking about it he goes yeah listen i'm thinking about this uh matt i'm i'm uh maybe yeah can you hold this now that i think about it and i was like he was because
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I would really hate to be being sentenced and they start playing this. And I was like, yeah, that might be an issue. That might be. But he ended up, so it was so funny as he ended up contacting me, whatever, what, a week ago? Like a week ago. So it had been like two, almost three weeks. And he contacted me and said, hey, I was sentenced. And he said, no, you got five years.
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He got the minimum mandatory minimum. Like, like keep in mind, they couldn't, it's through the internet. So they had ordered some stuff from him, tracked it back and rated it as off.
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Right. So what he, he didn't think it was going to be as easy as it was. They never do. But he had a, you know, but then again, think about it. He wants to be sentenced because he, he had a much longer run than they knew. Get it over with. Yeah. Like, like he's realizing you guys got me for these packages. Like I need to plead guilty to this. Exactly.
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You know, because if they really look into it, like what if they end up finding out this is the run, you know, it was just right now it's just this and you can minimize it and you don't have the stuff. And, and, So he played guilty, got five years, and then we talked about him going in. And he's a big guy, shaved head, beard. He'll be fine. Chubby. He looks very soft.
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So I was like, listen, do yourself a favor. Don't go into – you're probably going to go into low. Don't go in and say, like – like i don't want to if somebody says what are you here for don't say my lawyer said not to talk about it yeah don't do that don't do that don't say computer crime yeah that's a mistake i know that for a fact that's a mistake Don't say that.
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Don't tell them a whole bunch of information, but do tell them exactly. This is what I'm here for. I said, so that's it. And yeah, he's a don't play Billy. Badass. Yeah. Yeah. Don't. Yeah. Don't borrow money. Don't gamble.
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he oh my god there was a guy listen let me tell you right now I tell you this I don't know if you had one of these guys we would have some guy show up I think I told you this we'd have like a white guy would show up a soft looking white guy would show up he's 50 something years old, soft looking, scared. Comes in, they come in around just after like, or just before count, right?
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So they come in and then they get their cell. They're still wearing their slacks and a white big torn up t-shirt. And they're looking, you know, so he's got flip flops on and he's walking around. So they would come in and then everybody just kind of ignores him. And then they go to chow. They come back. They lay in their bed and cry.
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Then the next morning, pretty much regardless of what crime you've committed, that's typically the first night in prison. You just lay there like, I slept like a baby. Not really. You were sniffling a little bit. And then they then or sometimes that night, usually that night when they come back and they lock everybody down, they start to work their way into the TV room. Right.
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Or the next morning they would walk in the the the white TV. Right. And then this car room. Yeah. They come and they sit down and we had a guy. They called him Kenny King.
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and uh um what's so funny is like his initials were like kkk they were like yeah they were so it was like kenny king so you're like kenny kevin king um and so kenny would go uh the guy would come in and sit down we'd be watching the morning news waiting for waiting to leave um and all of a sudden kenny would go
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I got caught, like, mid-act. It was actually a Buccaneers cheerleader. I mean, when am I going to get a chance to hit a Buccaneers cheerleader? Buccaneers cheerleader. You got to. I mean, to me, that's like a, you get a pass. I mean, remember, stranger danger. You know, I feel like that book will lose me a lot of people. People will read that and be like, you've got some issues.
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And listen, I knew it so well when a guy would walk in and sit down, I'd get up and leave. Because I thought, I don't want to be here for this humiliation. And it was always the same thing. He'd go, listen up, homeboy. And the guy would always...
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You understand? They go, oh, no, no, no, no, no. I'm here for Medicare. You understand? Look, you've got about three days to come up with something that shows something. And they go, oh, no, no, no, no. Okay, okay. And here's the worst thing. you knew if he was lying because he wouldn't even come back. Like if he really was there for Medicare fraud or for selling drugs or something,
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Three, four, five days later, he's got something in the mail. He's walking around going, boom, that's what my charge is. There you go. You know, I got 10 years for guns. Most of the time they wouldn't come back. Right. But if they really, if they had nothing, then they just don't come back.
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I'm a nice guy. I want to be nice. I hear you. I'm not going to.
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It's society's fault. I get it. I got you. I hear you. It's a horrible thing, but there's no rules. I could kill you. What's so funny is Kenny would come to me and go, he'd go, Cox. And I'm like, And it's not like Kenny was even a big guy. Kenny was tiny. Kenny was like 5'5 or something. He was tiny. He weighed probably 140 pounds.
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And I'd look over and I'd go, fuck.
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because if he said drugs then they don't ask me right they kenny can talk to all the pedophiles said computer crime yeah and yeah yeah yeah fraud yeah i would love that i told you i must have told you that when i went up to the one guy no oh oh yeah i went up to one guy i go up to one guy and i said uh hey bro i said i heard you were here for fraud he's like um yeah yeah i'm here for uh credit card fraud i said what we are we charged i said that's what you were charged with he goes yeah charged with credit card fraud
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I went, hmm. What's the actual charge? That's the actual charge on your indictment? Credit card fraud? He goes, yeah, it's credit card fraud. And I went, hmm, okay. At this point, Kenny's... You did the bank thing. Yeah. So Kenny comes walking slowly, walking down the hall, and he's walking up slowly, and I went, so what did you do? And he goes, I was removing money out of credit cards.
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And I went... No, I get that it's credit card for all you do, but how are you doing it? Like, did you, were you in like a position, like at a bank where you were able to charge the credit cards or did you work for, did you work for the credit card company or you manufacturing credit cards? Like were you using an access device of some kind where you, and he goes,
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He goes, it's not a learning experience. And just then, Kenny walked up, and I go, he's a chomo. He's a chomo. And Kenny goes, I knew it. And I walk off. Kenny comes up. He goes, how did you know? I said, I've never met a fraudster in my life that didn't want to brag about how smart he was to let you know I'm super smart, and this is how I did it, and I figured it out.
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I said, plus, I said, there's no such thing as credit card fraud. you know, it's access device fraud. It's, it's bank fraud. It's financial institution. There's a dozen, you know, it's wire fraud, something. I said, there's no, there is no charge that. And I asked him three times. He said it over and over again. And I said, yeah, so no. And so then another, this happened all the time.
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I remember this other time, this guy was,
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this this is how good i was getting at it this is how good i was getting and i felt bad you know i don't want to put somebody in a position where you knew the thing is is you knew who the chomos were walking off the bus oh yeah and what's so funny too was how they would congregate you know like they would group and it was and not just that even if you had four guys that i knew all four you were lying you've actually convinced other people that it's not true that you four fucking guys hung out together
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you're always talking about how you hate joes but you guys are all hanging and you're all lying you said you're here for medicare fraud you said you're here for wire fraud you said you're here for pot you said you're here for this and you guys all hang out together and you talk about joes so this one guy one time i'm sitting there kenny king comes up and he goes he goes cock see that guy over there and i looked over and i was like oh yeah yeah and he goes says he's here for a uh
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Right.
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Fuck, he said, some kind of scheme. I go, Ponzi scheme? He goes, and he goes, yeah, that's it, Ponzi scheme. And I went, okay. And he said, I want to go talk to him, see if he's a chill. And I go, no, he's a con man. And he goes, man, you just looked at him. Go talk to him. And I said, I'm going to talk to him. I'm going to tell you right now. I said, that's a con man.
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No, I was just thinking, I got caught by Washington Mutual multiple times. Okay. I mean, I got caught by numerous banks, and they were like, refinance the loan, get us our money back, or hey, pay us our money back. And they never called anybody. Even if they threatened to call, it was always like, well, if you don't do this, we'll call the FBI. But in the end...
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And you could fucking, the look, listen.
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Not a big guy. Checking out everybody walking by. His back is kind of towards the, you know, in the corner, kind of towards the... Just checking everybody out. Not being a jerk, but the look on his face was he was in a horrible environment. Analyzing everything. Analyzing everything and confident. Right. Not a big guy. Right. Guy's my height. But I looked at that dude and I was like, huh.
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Walked right up to him, said... Hey bro, I said, you here for some kind of a positive scheme, a fraud or something? I said, Kenny told me that you were, he's like, Yeah. Fifty seven million dollars. Largest problems in his scheme. And immediately went into it. OK. Reading off his resume. Did it for 15 years. Just immediately starts bragging about it. I thought, yeah, yeah.
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How much. And I was just like. damn like you're overboard like you're you're as bad like i thought i had it i thought i had you pegged but fuck that's me you know uh yeah good times good times what what's going on what are we at
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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An hour and 18 minutes?
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That's not bad. Not bad at all. Not bad at all.
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Did you do a podcast? Did not do a recording.
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I'm just saying, I don't know how you're going to run your show, but you might.
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You understand he's going to put this probably in here?
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The fact that he's done something. Yeah. So first of all, I'd like to say that I read his book in prison. Same here. Not once, but over and over and over again. Multiple times. I can't say that I read it in its entirety.
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I probably read it in its entirety three or four times at least, but I read sections of, if you add up all the sections, I probably read that book a dozen times, like just to see how they condense things and how he, like, I really, really loved that book. And then I even read his second book. See, I didn't read the second one.
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you know, they didn't call the FBI.
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Second book was pretty good, too, although it mostly just talks about scams in general. The Art of the Steel. Art of the Steel.
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Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't even know that. But, you know, and I always so I had been on podcasts where I talked about Frank Abagnale and then guys were in the comments section were saying, no, no, he actually worked for because I was saying he he actually did like all of his time. Like in the first one, he basically does.
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Because they didn't, you know, at the time, even if, to be honest, even at the time, I thought that they don't want anybody, no matter what, they didn't want anybody, the FBI looking through their files. And at one point, I was actually had a guy with a bank called, it was Pinnacle Bank Corp. It was a small bank in Chicago. It actually went under. But the owner was a guy named Gary Bond.
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He gets turned down for parole several times and then he gets out on parole. And I said to the truth is people think, oh, he got arrested very quickly based on the movie. They let him out to work for the FBI. So the truth is he actually did all of his time, got out on parole and Then he talks about how there were issues. In the second book, he talks about how there were issues on parole.
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He kept getting fired. Okay. Yeah, the PO would show up and get him fired. Another time he worked for— Yeah, I remember reading about some of the issues that he had.
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Right, right. Like— The problem is – who knows if any of that's true anymore. And I liked the story. And so when Levine – I think it's Levine. I don't know. Whatever. When we talked – You know, he was talking about how all of these things there was always one thing that bothered me and it has always bothered me. And I kind of just shrugged it off like, OK, well, you don't know.
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You don't really know. Right. So and it was always the the toilet in the airplane. So when I escape, he gets in the toilet, he sneaks out through the toilet. And he somehow or another gets into the gear where the landing gear assembly is. And then he jumps out through the landing assembly and takes off. And I always remember thinking... Well, I would think it would be a closed system.
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That would be separate. Right. And I would think, well, maybe sometimes they have those panels that have been bolted on. I was like, but it's not like he had a, he didn't have like a wrench with him. Right. And I'm sitting there going, well, obviously, you know, it's the suspension of disbelief. Like I see it. I believe it.
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Right. He has the girl. He gets the FBI card. And actually, they call. And he says, hey, I'm working with the FBI as a CIO. I'm an FBI agent. Let me talk to my partner. And they actually let him go to the car to have a conversation. He jumps in the car and takes off. Right. Like, it's a whole thing. And granted, it's the 70s. Like, things were a lot more laxed.
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But even when I was watching that, it was... But he would throw these little tiny details in there where he said later in the newspaper article came out where they said that I had actually was a violent escape, that I'd harmed somebody, pulled a gun or done some things, he said, which was later disproven. And it was like, those are the little kinds of things that make the story seem more real.
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He's an amazing liar. He is. He absolutely is. But Levine, the guy that I interviewed, he was like, he and the other guy that had written the book about it, because Levine didn't write the book. He just did a podcast based on the book. He was saying, like, he didn't understand why a documentary hadn't been made, why they didn't jump on it. And he was saying it was like...
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And I was like, yeah, right?
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No, just Javier. So he was saying he believed the reason people had not jumped all over it was because it was like being told that there's no Santa Claus. People don't want to believe it. And admittedly, I had guys in the comment section before where I had talked on concrete, I talked on concrete about Abagnale and how he'd done all his time.
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And he did, because people were saying, oh, you're like Frank Abagnale. And I was like, okay, well, no, because Frank Abagnale didn't get his sentence reduced. He did all his time. In the movie, they say they let him out, but he really did all of his time, according to the book. And in fact, he did all this time because in general, he just had a bunch of little tiny bits.
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But but the point is, is that like I actually got my sentence cut for writing an ethics course for working with the FBI, for writing these these doing two different courses and being interviewed. So And then this guy said that there was a whole – there's a whole thing on – where he's talking in front of like the FBI, I think, and it's on YouTube.
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And he actually came down at one point. They caught us with a couple million dollars in fraud. They sold it to Household Bank. And they basically were like, look, just promise me if these loans come back on us, you'll help us get rid of them. And we're like, no problem, because I don't have two million to pay you. He actually came down a few weeks later and met with me and some of my brokers.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And he's talking about working as an undercover with the FBI. And that is – I've never heard that before in my life. No. It's like he's getting more and more inventive. So the problem is – you listen to that guy, and it is. It's disappointing that he's taken – He's taken one or two small things that he did, and he's ballooned them into these massive stories.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Now, I wouldn't blame him for what the movie did, for what Spielberg did. I wouldn't blame him because they're going to do whatever they want to do. Well, you know that now.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. Yeah. That's a problem. Right. So really, he was just a low-level guy. He's been arrested for stealing a car. He's been – oh, and Javier actually talked about how he had kind of conflated two separate stories in the book where he takes the stewardesses on this – and that – listen, that scam in the book – That's a great scam. It is. I could see that working.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That's why I sat there and I thought, wow, that would work. Based on what he was doing, that was a great way to maximize what he was doing. But the point is that Javier said that what really happened from their investigation was that Frank Abagnale at one point had worked at like a nursery.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And everybody was saying, oh, we should all get – they were all kind of friends and said we should do something over the weekend. And he took them all to Puerto Rico. Wow.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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flew them to Puerto Rico, and they said, like a couple days before they were supposed to leave, or a day before they were supposed to leave or something, something went wrong, and he immediately was like, look, we gotta go, we gotta get on the plane, we gotta get back, I gotta get back, and he rushed everybody back there, and as soon as they got back there, he stole the station wagon.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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to the daycare or school, whatever it was, and took off and left. And they never saw him again. And they did a report saying, hey, this guy stole our fucking car. Right. So that is kind of and he also would go he dress up like a pilot. He would go to two universities And he would interview sorority girls or college girls to be stewardesses for Pan Am, let's say. I think it was Pan Am.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They said he also would do physical exams. I read that bit. Yeah. Wow. Which none of that gets talked about. No, no, no. Nobody brings that up. Right. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So, yeah, there was a bunch of stories that I was like, OK, so he kind of conflated the the movie thing where he and it's also in the book where he does this thing, goes to college and he interviews all these women and he picks some of them and they he flies them all over to Europe.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And then he gives them checks and he also gives them reimbursement checks that they have to cash and give him the cash. So they're doing this everywhere they go. He's also not paying for any of the photography. He's telling them to bill pay him. So he's running up photography bills all over Europe. The women are thrilled.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And during that conversation, he had a couple drinks that night. He took us to dinner.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They get to go to Europe for a month, but they also end up making him like $20,000, $30,000 in cash because they're cashing checks, thinking it's just a part of how this works. We cash this up. We have to pay for our own fees, but they reimburse us. They give us a check. We cash it and give it to him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, let's say roughly 6 to 12, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Oh. Oh, yeah. What, because he's kind of paved the way? Oh, yeah, I mean, he led that path. Yeah, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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um like didn't cut us off knows that we gave him two million and for all like he's like keep them coming but you know you gotta watch this so he comes and he says to me he's like look be honest he's like nobody wants the fbi going through their files sure he's like at all he's like like he said because they're going to come in you could give them these two files but he's but you don't know where that's going to end he's like they may say well look we're subpoenaing all your files he said nobody wants to be in in that position right and he even told me
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. Okay. Why?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He just doesn't want to have a conversation with you where it's going to be obvious.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, and Frank would have to go on first because he's not going on second.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I am. You know what's, okay, sorry, go ahead.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Listen, who gets out of prison? And says and as a con, well, it's really as a petty criminal and reinvents himself as a con man to do to do keynote speaking and get paid for it. Like that is especially if you don't really have you don't have the pedigree. Exactly. And becomes arguably more famous than Charles Ponzi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody knows Catch Me If You Can.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They might not know exactly Frank Abagnale, but a lot of people do. Right. So I'd say if somebody knows the movie Catch Me If You Can, probably 25% of them can actually say Frank Abagnale. Exactly, exactly. But at the very least, he can say, would you see the movie Catch Me If You Can?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And you're right. Like, just like I said, yeah, not everybody knows what a pot or what a positive.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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security for checks right and javier said like he came up with the he's legitimately got like a securities company or whatever it is yeah he was he's legitimately and apparently it does decent work like he's like there's nothing he's like they looked into that he's like there's nothing out there that says that that's a scam like it's a legitimate company so how do you i mean how do you how are you supposed to look at that the guy's he's built his his entire life on this foundation of lies but he goes off and he does some good
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I really don't care about his. We're not so concerned about fraud as long as it goes past the one year clawback. Now, at that point, it was one year. Now it's like 30 days. Right. So he's like, as long as it goes past that one year and they can't come back on me, I don't care. And it was I remember being I was just like, oh, my God, I couldn't believe it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And makes a hell of a lot of money doing it. A hell of a lot of money. It's easy to do good things.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I think... You know, what's funny is it's like cheating on your wife. This is another one of those rumors. So I give these examples sometimes. And like when we were not on camera, you're like, don't go with that one again.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I said something the other day, the other day, the guy made a comment about people with like a thyroid problem. Like, well, you know, it's not her fault. He was talking about like his sister, like was super overweight. He was, he's angry with this particular, it's a fraud that's happening. And he's angry, he's talking, and he shows a picture of his sister.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He goes, you know, and I went, he goes, you notice anything about her? And I thought, well, she's a, she's a, like, I didn't know what he wanted me to say, but all I could think of was she's a biggin'. She's big boned. She's a big, big, big girl. And he goes, it's not her fault. She has, you know, thyroid something, such and such. And I said, yeah, I said, I don't buy that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I said, I said, because I said, I know for a fact that I said in all the pictures I've seen of like concentration camps, there's never like one fat person that they say, yeah, she's getting as much food as everybody else. But she has a thyroid. She has a thyroid issue, so she can't lose weight. Like I said, I don't think that's the way it works.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And so anyway, afterward, he said, I don't want to use that example. Afterward, he said, you know, he said, I understood what you were saying and it was funny. He said, but you might want to stay away from anything that has to do with skinny people in a concentration camp.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So, but yeah, but Frank, I don't know where I was going with this. Cheating wife. Cheating wife. Thank you. So it's kind of like, like if it's like the guy, listen.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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People will, really a woman in general, and I think men for the most part, they will forgive infidelity, but what they're more upset about, every time, when I was younger, not now, I'm an adult now, but when I was in my teens or 20s and I would run around with my girlfriend and get caught, The few times, what I realized was when you just deny it, it drags out for six months to you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They never let it go. But if you just say, yeah, look, okay, I did this and this and we were having fights and we're not doing well and I thought we were going to break up and I saw your friend Jennifer and she's always flirting with me. And so, yeah, I went back to her place and I hit it. Yeah, I met, yeah, yeah. She's not a good friend to you, by the way. You know, it's a horrible thing to say.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, if you just own up to it. Lay it on her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's not a good friend to you. You know, I said, the whole time I said, this isn't right. But if you just own up to it, then it kind of shuts it, you know, and if you're like, look, I. Just get it out. I got caught like mid-act. Yeah. banging this... Literally mid-act. Well, no.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So I was, you know, going, you know, it was working out. It was just, you know, it was actually a Buccaneers cheerleader. I mean, when am I going to get a chance to hit a Buccaneers cheerleader? Buccaneers cheerleader. You got to. I mean, to me, that's like a... You get a pass. I mean... I should have gotten a pass, right? So, I mean, I'm never going to have this opportunity again.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, I like you. We're good, but... I love you, but it's a bust. For God's sakes. So it's just happening. And I remember we're naked and boom. I'm just, you know, things are just going in good. And just then I hear, teet, teet. And I thought, you know, the alarm system, the door opens. And I went, oh, God. I never got that key back from Jana. Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I was like, and I remember she was like, oh my God, is that, and the girl I was dating was a fitness trainer. And she goes, is that the fitness girl? I was like, ah, wait a second. I get up and go in there and literally my girlfriend's got this chick's purse out on the, dumping out her stuff, flipping it open, looks at the, and starts screaming like she knows her.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like she's like, barely even knows her. She starts screaming at this or yelling at it. And so the girl ends up coming and we scoop the stuff back in. The girl's got her clothes on. She takes it. She runs out the back. I turn around. She's like, did you, you know, did you fuck her? No, I didn't know what I look. I mean, I'm done. I said, yeah, you want to know the truth? I said, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I was a little bit. I was starting. It was work. Things were going. It was half. Yes, you. But you ruined it for me. And I said, I said, look, you know, it's, it's, forget us. It's over. Just, just, just go, just go. She's, but I love you. And then I couldn't get rid of it. She hugged me and we, she stayed the night and we dated again for the next three weeks.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And we broke up again because we were always breaking up. But the point is, is that, listen, for the Frank, all that, but I'm bringing it back around. I see that disappointed look that where's this going? It's going. So to me, the denying or not addressing it, to me, one, you probably get a lot more if Abagnale were to just say, listen, let me tell you what happened.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And you still won't have to be that. You can say, look, this is what happened here. This is what happened here. When I wrote it with Stan Redding or whoever I wrote, when I wrote the book, was there embellishment? Absolutely, there was embellishment. And it just got away from me over the years.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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got away it kept going I started getting the gigs I was scared that if I corrected it at that point I wouldn't get the gigs I was making good living I have a wife I have four beautiful children did I mess up should I have corrected a long time ago absolutely I was broke I was in a bad spot here's what I did I didn't correct it I'm correcting it now my bad you don't you know
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Here's what I have done with my life.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Well, what do you say at that point? People are like, nah, he owned up to it. What are you going to do? Still like the movie. Yeah, absolutely. That's what you do. Right, but to not address it, then what happens is it festers, it gets worse, it gets worse, it gets worse, and that's what happens.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. I mean, it's going to shut him down completely. I mean, luckily, I'm sure old Frank's got more than enough money to just kick back.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I mean, listen, to be honest, at this point, you could kick back, do a video, and laugh about the whole thing. He could mock the whole thing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And be done with it. You know? He didn't even have to be apologetic if he didn't want to. He's like, I'm 75 years old. What are you going to do?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yes.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, I don't either.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That's going to end it right there. You know, to me, listen, I had a girlfriend. I remember her name. I'm horrible with names too. Her name was Janine Hutchinson.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. She was so sweet. She was very nice. I dated her for a little bit when I was in college, the first like year or so. And I remember she was going back to, I think she's from Wisconsin or something. I don't know. Anyway, she was going, one of the square States up North. So she's going back up there for like a month or two and then coming back. And I said, listen,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I said, I know your ex-boyfriend's up there. I know he's friends with all your friends. I know all this. We'd been dating like a year or so. I said, I know this. I said, I know there's no way you're gonna see your friends and not end up seeing him. And she goes, probably. She said, yeah, probably.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So if things take the natural course of nature, I said, and you end up sleeping with this guy, I said, do me the favor and the courtesy of not letting me find out. And she goes, and she said, you'll never find out. And I said, okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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because she knew what time it was she just laughed she's like something's wrong with you i'm just saying i don't want to know right like i don't want to know if something that she's like you know nothing's going to happen as a man that shit eats at you yeah i don't want to know because i'm sitting there going okay you've told me this but there's more yeah i hated it the whole time yes i know the guy's six foot two he weighs 195 pounds he's got a full head of hair right you hated it the whole time okay now you're a liar too yeah so yeah
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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yeah yeah i don't know um i need to call jess before i speak about it i need to do this i like to drop by every once in a while just pull in real quick in my little chick jeep there you go it bounces all over you they got this big thing and i bounce up i pull up i jump out and well you know i ordered a bronco Are you serious? They're fucking ridiculously expensive. The sticker price is $40.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They're selling for $95.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like, it's not, I mean, it is hilarious, though. But it's, yeah, it's disturbing to me. I watched a video of mine the other day, and I thought, damn. You subscribed to your own video. You're good. You should be huge. Yeah, I feel like this should go on its own. This is not what we're here to talk about. This is not what we're talking about.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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How long had you ordered it?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So you probably, did you make money on the sale?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Oh, okay. I thought you like, I thought you already paid it and just arrived.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I was going to say, they probably sold it for 90.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You know, I went and looked at Bronco. This is scary. They're nice vehicles. They're nice because you know why? Online, it said it was like $38,000. I was like, this is great. I actually, listen, I went so far. I went and got a loan from my, like I applied for the loan through my credit union.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It was like the cheap one. It was the cheapest one. Two door. Two doors are nice. Mine was the four. Yeah. Ragtop. Are they all rag? This thing I had a hard top. They look like kind of a rag top.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Okay, so I then drive out to the dealership. I get to the dealer. I called them, by the way. You know, you do the text thing. Texting the guy. And the guy's like, yeah. I'm like, hey, I know the sticker price is this. Can you work on the sticker price? And he's like, well, we can talk about it when you get here. So he's making me believe that the sticker price is the price.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like, I didn't know what had happened with cars. I get out there. they had added like, they put a little lift on it and put like a roll bar in the back or something. Like some stuff I don't want, I don't need, but I don't care, it's there. And somehow or another, that extra $2,500 worth of bullshit they added on ended up jacking it up to 72 or 70. From 38 to 72.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, it's like $75,000 or something.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Are you fucking with me? We were driving. We were driving out of the place, right? So the guy's taking me out, and he said, so why'd you decide to get the Bronco? I said, well, I mean, I couldn't beat it. I mean, $38,000? I love these things. And he goes, oh, no, no. He said, that's sticker price. I went, right. He said, no, this has got the upgraded such and such. We put that on.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He said, so this one's like $74,000, whatever it was. And I went, what? And I said, bro, just turn around.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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right just right here just take me back and he goes you don't want to drive it i said no he's well well maybe we could talk about the price i said you ain't talking it down to 38 000 i'm ready to pay sticker i'm not paying he's like well we can let's see what the numbers come to special numbers you found anything for 100 years like i don't care i don't want that i'm not doing that turn around and he was like are you serious yeah john 96 months you'll be all right
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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ridiculous so i had him turn around i mean i went in i i did let they didn't pull my credit but i did say you know he said well let me at least get to the numbers that's all right bro but i'm so that takes 20 minutes and then after i got the first set of numbers i said yeah i'm done give me my keys yeah you know well look i don't know where paul is they're gonna cut the shit you i know you got my keys come on don't don't make me get don't make me don't make me be an asshole you like the jeep um my jeep yeah the little tiny baby girl jeep
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I've not seen your Jeep. It's in the... I'll have to look at it. It's the little white... It's a chick Jeep. Like, I mean, you hit it, you punch the gas, and it goes... It doesn't go, though. Like, it's not like it throws your... Like, Jess will be like, oh, did you hit the gas?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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We bought furniture for Jess's daughter and I had to rent a U-Haul.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, I feel like that book will lose me a lot of people. Ha! People will read that and be like, you've got some issues. Like, it's not. I mean, it is hilarious, though. But, yeah, it's disturbing to me. Can I ask you a question real quick before we get into it? Because this is a question I get all the time. I want to know how you answer it. Well, I've got multiple questions I get all the time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Come on, shoot them out, man.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like, these are the questions people ask me. And people always look shocked when I answer them. And I always think, oh, that's the wrong answer. Like, that's not what they expected. So one of those is, do you ever think about committing fraud?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Okay. Yeah. I'm like, if people ask me that, I'm like every single day.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, it's like, damn. I'll see a real estate commercial where they're buying real estate sight unseen. Oh, Jesus. And I'm like, oh, stop it, bro. Stop. What are you doing? Like, oh, God, dear God, what are you doing, man? What's happening?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I actually told my probation officer. Well, I've actually told several people. Did you take RDAP? Yes, I took RDAP. I almost caused a riot at Fort Worth Prison taking RDAP. So I've told the doctor that was running the program this and I told my probation officer. I was like, yeah, yeah, I know I'm going to bust my ass. I'm going to get a job.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm going to bust my ass for the next year, hopefully pull some shit together, get myself on my feet. And I kept saying – I guess I said a year too many times. And she goes, well, what happens if it takes longer than a year? And I go –
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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if it takes longer than a year and she goes yeah i go if it if i'm if in a year from now i'm living in someone's spare room i'm taking the bus to work i can barely pay my bills like that and she goes yeah i said i go i'm gonna commit a massive massive fraud that's what i was about to say then fuck it balls to the wall at that point yeah if i can't feed myself in a year from now then i gave it a good shot
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, no, no. Listen, listen, listen, you would. And here's what I told the doctor, by the way, was I had said to her, I said, she goes, well, crime is never an option. I said, listen. let's assume that your husband leaves you for his secretary. Let's assume the economy goes south, I said, which we all know it can. And it is. Well, at that time it wasn't.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Let's assume that, I said, they don't have the budget to hire
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to hire people like you at a hundred thousand dollars i said and you go out and you try and get a job in a bad economy and you can't you find yourself and your two kids living in your car with no support from anybody i said and there is a loaf of bread four feet inside of the supermarket front door i said if you steal that loaf of bread your kids live another week i said you wouldn't do it i
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I go, the difference between you and me, I said, is my the bar for committing crime. For me, it's just lower than yours. Right. I mean, everybody will do it.
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Yeah, I don't have to, if I'm willing to do this, I don't have to live in my car anymore. That's exactly right. My kids deserve better. So here's the other question is where, and this always kills me too, is they're like, well, man, when you were on the run, you must've been like, were you scared all the time? Were you worried? Was it horrible? And I always say, and I know this is the wrong one.
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I'm always like, bro, honestly, like the best, the best period of my life was being on the run. I loved being on the run. Have you read Shantaram or not?
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So let's rewind here.
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No, I have
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No, I was asking if you had a job during this whole thing.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Right, right. Okay. Again, illegal as fuck. Yeah, yeah, they're manipulating the system so that you stay below that 2% or .002% chargeback rate. Right.
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Connor's shaking his head. He's always disappointed. Whenever I tell stories, he always halfway through, he starts going like, what are you doing?
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You said you're a UK, what? University of Kentucky. Oh, okay. Okay.
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And I've been raising mortal hell about that. I was going to say it – I was going to say, well, one, I was going to say that it's funny because like, yeah, it's when people are like, you know, oh, you know, what do they always say? Like, I'll say, you know, my name is Matt Cox. I'm a con man. They'll go, well, you want to say like reformed? Or do you want to say that you want to say?
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you're enjoying it.
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Because people weren't used to it at that time. They had never seen anything.
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Right.
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And I'm always like, I mean, no. You know, not really because, you know what I'm saying? Because the truth is I know something's wrong when someone tells me about a scam and then my first thought is, nice.
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Deservedly. It's not like I didn't. They're going to try and pin that on me. No, no. They're going to. That's why guys like you are exactly why. Well, and to a degree, me, are exactly why that law. That's why that's there. Yeah. CCE or, you know, continue. And they're going to give you 25 or 30 years.
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And then I have to catch myself and go, oh, wait, hey, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Listen, you need to think about this.
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uh interject here so when you're watching these guys get cracked in the head and there's a there's an article here a newspaper article here a newspaper article here like you're seeing all this kind of circling around you are like how are you feeling at that point are you thinking i'm good i'm gonna be good oh no
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That's good. Listen to what I used to do. And it's like, here, I want to listen to this. And then I think, what are you doing? Exactly. Like, bro, you're this close to going back to prison. Like, what are you doing? And then you do this. Did you do this as well? Yeah, what did they say at the bank? So, you know, how'd you catch the cat?
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So, yeah, but it just reminds me when these, it's like these guys, like the credit cards, right? Like for like, what, two decades, they were saying, put the chips in the card, put the chips in the card, you know, first of all, to stop fraud, which was funny because when they were doing that, I was actually writing Boziak's book. And I was in prison with John Bozak writing his book.
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So they let me sit in the county jail for a week. Okay, wait a second. Sorry. Maybe I missed something. How did they get to you, though? Exactly. Did you just explain that? No, no, I didn't. Okay, I'm sorry.
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Were you one of the guys that went through the VPN that was set up by?
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Like I hear you. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You're not wrong.
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And I said, yeah, but now all that's shut down because of chips, right? And he just started laughing. He said, are you fucking serious? He goes, man, the fake chips were on the market before the people were getting the real ones in the mail. He said, that's not going to stop anything. Plus, he said, it doesn't matter anyway. You can try it twice.
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And if the chip doesn't go through, it says, oh, swipe the card. That's exactly right. And I was like, well, I don't understand. I said, well, why the banks fought it? Or the banks weren't even interested in implementing it because the banks had already calculated in the fraud. And we've got a calculation of fraud built in. So it cost us more to try and stop the fraud. And the fraud, we –
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So how does it escape from prison? Is that a camp to a camp? It was a camp. You know, I'd like to be a helicopter guy, that kind of shit. But it's always a camp, right? Yeah. So my dad had. Yeah, because I've been in mediums and lows and you're just not getting out like it's like, you know, you say that, man.
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we then pass those fees and those charges on to the customer. So the only person that's being hurt from fraud is the customers, which we really don't care about. That's exactly right. So why would we go out of our way to take our own money and update all these systems that are going to cost us money that, in the end, we can really just pass on to the customer?
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I do need RDAP.
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Okay.
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He was like, when? At Oklahoma detention? Without going through the public, what do they call it? The public information officer? Exactly. How did you do that?
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You know, it's funny. I used to get the guys that all the shows, when they would just ask them what they're there for, fraud, which used to irritate me because I would be like, you know, you can't pick another fucking, you can't pick another crime. It's got to be fraud.
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And then, of course, then, so what would happen is some guy would come in the unit, some white, it'd be some, you know, white guy, fucked up looking white dude. And he'd say, oh,
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And then the guys would come to me, they go, Cox. And I go, yeah. They go, go talk to this guy. And I go, why? He says he's here for fraud. He don't look right to me. And I'd look over at him and I'd go, fuck. I'd walk over and I'd go, hey, bro, what's going on? I heard you're here for fraud. He'd be like, yeah, I'm here for fraud. And I'd go, okay. Like, what kind of fraud? Credit card fraud?
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I'd go... They charge you with credit card fraud? Yeah, they charge me with credit card fraud. That's the charge, right? Yeah. Well, there's no credit card fraud. And I was like, okay, well, what'd you do? And they go, you know, I took money out of credit cards. Well, did you work at a bank? Did you like, how did the fraud work? I'm here for fraud too.
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And they go, well, it's not like a learning experience. And I go, okay, he's a chump. And then I just walk off and I was like. So you had that basic same job.
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Oh, well. Because you're a fraudster. And I taught the real estate class for 10 years. Now, at the medium. Now, when you taught the real estate class. So, at the medium, when I was at the medium, you could say anything. You could say, look, here's how, you know. So, you get the money, the down payment. So, what you do is this, this. The guy gives you money back.
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Start a company and you get the money back here. Like, I'd break it down exactly how to get your down payment back, how to do everything. You can't pull that bullshit. No. You can once. Right. Then you get the talk. That's it. Are you? Telling people how to do things fraudulently? No, someone said that? That's crazy.
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I'm in here for fraud. I would never. So then I realized like, fuck, I'm going to have to really fine tune my class here. And so I did that. Taught GED. I taught game theory, public speaking, and then the lit class. Right. So you do the things that the sharp guys do that give you credibility, that make you an important person of value. That's what it is. And then nobody bothers you.
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If you have value, you're absolutely right. If you have value in that system, you're okay. If you don't. You can do pretty much anything. Because what happened with me was I was in the medium. And the St. Petersburg Times came out. Now, keep in mind, the St. Petersburg Times, I'd already been on Dateline. But when I was on Dateline, I had just been arrested. So I haven't even done anything yet.
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I was interviewed later, but I'm not cooperating. I'm not doing anything when I get first grabbed. But then what happens is once I get sentenced, get to the medium, I'm at the medium, and suddenly St. Petersburg Times comes out, front page article where I've been talking with a reporter about a politician that I had bribed. And that's what to do in it. Yeah.
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And in it, it talks about how I cooperated with the FBI and the Secret Service for like seven or eight days. This is my lawyer saying that, oh, he cooperated more than anybody I've ever had in 15 years. I'm like, wow, don't hold back. He just sang and sang. He wanted to work some more with them. Yeah. desperately straight to the fucking shoe for 45 days. I'm telling him, look, I'm fine. I'm fine.
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Put me back out. Cause they're not going to do anything to you. No, no. The worst that happened was I had a guy come up to me and say, one of the white guys comes up to me. He goes, Hey Cox. I'm like, yeah, what's up? And he goes, look, what was the guy's name?
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Bubba was the guy who ran. He was a shot caller. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he goes, Bubba wanted to let you know, wanted me to tell you, you can't walk the yard. And I went, what? You can't walk the yard. And I went... And I thought, and I already kind of come to my conclusion. Like I was like, either I'm going to one, there was two multiple things. One, shut my mouth because I got a slick mouth.
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Right. So I'm going to shut my mouth. You're not going to shut up. Right. I'm not going to shut up for 20 something years. Right. So you shut your mouth for 20 years or you just run your mouth and say smart ass shit. And you're going to get slapped every once in a while. I'm five foot six. I'm not beating the shit out of some six foot tall biker.
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So you're going to get slapped every once in a while, but you're going to have a good time. Right. And two, you're either going to get beat, you know, guys are going to beat you up or you're going to spend all your time in the fucking shoes. So you know what? I'm just going to get beat up every once in a while.
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So I looked at him, I said, well, listen, bro, I'm going to be out at the yard tonight after chow. So if Bubba wants to talk about it, he can talk about it then. And I walk off trembling. Sure. Sure you do. I go get my cousin who happened to be there. And we get a couple other guys and we go and we walk the track for about an hour and they see me. But nothing happens. But they say nothing. Right.
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And that was like, there was one other small episode where he told a guy that was talking to me in line. That guy's a confidential informant. He didn't even call me a rat, which I appreciated. That was nice. You know, didn't say snitch. I was called the rat. Said confidential event. I thought that was very, that was, you know, it was very, you know, nice of Bubba.
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And told the guy, you know, you keep talking to him. You ever need our help? First of all, you're not going to need his help. But you ever need his help? You can't rely on us. So the guy goes, okay, Bubba. And right. Walked like 10 people back. And I'm like, that was pretty much it. Like, I never really had a problem. You get the slight comment, but that's it.
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Are you serious? You know, look, look, you know, Boziak knows. And we talked about that the other day. And they fucking cut the... Cut the penis.
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We got to be pretty close.
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I did 13. That's a hell of a taste. Yeah. But I got 26 and four months. So, you know, it wasn't game time. No, no, it was not. It was, it was, yeah. Did you go initially to a max or medium or what? No, I, so, you know, first of all, I went in with camp points. Right. Even though I was on the run, like I never got an escape or anything. So I was on the run.
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Right. And that's it.
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I got, I had like two, I had like two, two points. Okay. You know, I should have gone straight to a camp, but you got 26 years. Can't, you know, unless you're under 20, you got to go to a medium. Go to a medium. I'm there three years. Because you have to do 23. Then I go to the low. Okay. But I cooperated. The problem is in the cooperation, it was at the beginning of the financial crisis.
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Yeah. You know? I was going to say, like I mentioned that I'll talk in front of law enforcement. I was talking in front of the financial crimes guys. Sure. And first of all, one of the things that shocked me, and I know you talk in front of these guys too, is that Some of the things I was saying when I was just explaining how I got like the DMVs of different states to issue the driver's licenses.
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So they were like, look, these crimes are three, four, five years old. We've got him for the stuff he did. And these other people like, fuck, we got banks that are going under for $800 million or half a billion dollars. Like, these are bigger crimes. And so they just never really went back and grabbed these people that I cooperate against. Well, so now I'm screwed, right? Like I've been locked up.
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Then what ended up happening was that I had been asked to do Dateline NBC. I've been to be interviewed. I was interviewed. They said they'd consider it substantial assistance. Well, the US attorney said we did consider it. It's not. Oh, no, it gets worse. It gets worse. Then American Greed comes to me. They come to my lawyer. The U.S. attorney says, look, I want him to be interviewed.
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I will definitely consider this substantial assistance. Great. I do it. I'm brought into the warden's office for two days of interviews. They have my interview.
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me on there they run the program we go back we say okay you said you'd consider substantial assistance she goes i know we did it's just not enough i'm sorry then i have this guy that runs the national mortgage brokers like education program in the united states and all mortgage brokers have to do three hours of ethics and fraud. So he comes to me, he says, you actually own a mortgage company.
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You were a FHA lender. You were like, you're the only person that's hit every crime on the mortgage spectrum. And you were a broker and a loan officer. I mean, you owned a company, mortgage company. Could you help me write this course? I said, yeah, he flies. I say, you got to get, go to the US attorney, flies to Atlanta, gets on paper. I do the course. They start using the course.
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We go back to them and we say, You said you consider it substantial assistance. She goes, it's just not enough. Jesus, dude. I know. So finally, I end up getting a guy who files a 2255 for me. And we go back and forth, back and forth. And eventually, the government offers me one level off my sentence. But they will allow me to go in front of the judge and argue for more. They fly me up there.
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I argue for more. I get three levels off. That ends up being seven years. Now, did you plea out or go to trial? I pleaded. I'm super guilty. So did you get the three points of that for the plea or not? Yeah, I did. Still didn't, what, 26 years. Jesus, man. So I get seven years off my sentence. Then I come back. I'm at the low. I come back. I'm walking around the compound.
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There's a guy on the compound who did a $57 million Ponzi scheme. What? And he likes me. He's cooperating. Of course he does. Like I'm openly telling people, they're like, hey, Cox, how much time you got? I'm like, well, I got 26 years, but somebody might fuck up and tell me where those body buried and I'll be out of here next week.
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And they would go, they'd look at me and say, damn, it's like that Cox. I go, it's exactly like that, bro. Like we're not friends. I don't care what happens to any of these fuckers. And he's like, Jesus. We're not breaking bread when we get out. And now I'm at the low.
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Like you could be pretty cocky at the love. You could run your mouth. So I'm walking around with this guy and just a vicious character all the way around. Really reminded me of my dad. He liked me. He was cooperating with some other guys. We're walking around one day. And he's telling me, man, they're not going to give me anything for my cooperation. I go, why do you say that?
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You know, you might testify. Who knows? And he goes, yeah, I know. I just don't think so. Because they think I hid Ponzi scheme money. And I go, well, you didn't. So don't worry about it. And months and months go by. He mentions it a couple of times. So finally, one day I look at him and I go. I go, bro, I said, you keep mentioning that they think you hid Ponzi scheme money.
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I said, if you didn't, they won't find it. So don't worry about it. But he did. And he looked at me and he goes, can I trust you? And I went, I said, probably not. And he started laughing and he goes, I did put some money away. And I thought, you're fucking up. So he ends up telling me a little bit of the money. But this guy got like, my brother got like 30 grand.
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My ex-wife or soon to be ex-wife got like 150. I'm afraid they're going to turn it in. And I, you know, cause, cause my ex-wife found out I'm having, was having an affair, you know, blah, blah. My brother's just scared. They do tend to frown on that. Yeah. So what ends up happening is I don't actually say anything.
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I'm actually disappointed in myself because I waited months, months, for I happened to be talking to my lawyer and everybody's like, dang, bro, so you really struggled. No, my struggle was I didn't say anything because I thought they didn't want to give me anything the first time. Right, right. Why would I tell? It's not going to be worth it. Yeah. And so it just happened.
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I was talking to my lawyer. She said, hey, everything going on? What's going on? I was like, nothing. And she happened to say, this is a woman who never wanted to help me. It was the weirdest thing. She goes, She said, anything going on in there? And I went, like, you didn't give a fuck when you were representing me. I was like, no, not really. And she goes, nothing that you want to talk about?
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And just as I'm kind of going through it, they're like, they have no idea.
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I thought, it was just weird. And I went, well, you know what? There's a guy in here named Ron Wilson. And I tell her. A week later, I get called into SIS. They put me on the phone with a Secret Service agent. I get him on my email. I start telling him what's going on with Wilson. He starts asking me to ask him this, ask him this, ask him this. No shit. Oh, yeah. This goes on for six months.
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And he's asking me questions. Some of the questions I'm going back like, bro, you want to get me killed? Yeah. Like, I can't. How am I going to bring that up? Right. I've never even heard of this person. So anyway, I work with them. Eventually they file for, you know, they reindite Wilson. They indict the brother, the sister. They get one. They both basically get they get probation. Right.
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He gets six more months. And I think that they recover half a million dollars. OK. And I think they're never going to give me nothing for that. So I end up they never do. They say we don't. They even said we don't even know what Mr. Cox is talking about. We didn't know. We don't have no idea that he's even working with you as attorney. I mean, working with the Secret Service.
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And I thought, like, I'm stopping. And then somebody and then I keep going. And when I mentioned that I got the U.S. State Department to issue passports, they're literally a woman said, well, how did you do that?
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Anyway, the point is I had an actual email from them. So I sent him the email. I had multiple emails. So I sent him the email. I hired the same guy, this guy, lawyer, ends up representing me again. He's in prison with me, was in prison. I end up getting my sentence. He gets my sentence reduced again five more years. By the time that hits, I'm gone.
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Like a year and a half later, I walk out of prison. I mean, and listen, it was... And when that one hit, same thing. Listen, everybody knows I'm cooperating. Everybody. And I'm just... You know, you're either... It just, to me, it's just, it is what it is. I mean, I get into, I get guys that are like, oh, you fucking snitch. Okay. Will you be a standup guy and do 20 fucking six years?
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Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
You're bad people.
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Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
I was way over there.
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Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
Buried by the U.S. government and ignored by the national media, this is the story they don't want you to know. When Frank Amedeo met with President George W. Bush at the White House to discuss NATO operations in Afghanistan, no one knew that he'd already embezzled nearly $200 million from the federal government.
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Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
money he intended to use to bankroll his plan to take over the world from amadeo's global headquarters in the shadow of florida's disney world with a nearly inexhaustible supply of the internal revenue services funds amadeo acquired multiple businesses amassing a mega conglomerate
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Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
Driven by his delusions of world conquest, he negotiated the purchase of a squadron of American fighter jets and the controlling interest in a former Soviet ICBM factory. He began working to build the largest private militia on the planet, over 1 million Africans strong. Simultaneously,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
Amadeo hired an international black ops force to orchestrate a coup in the Congo while plotting to take over several small Eastern European countries. The most disturbing part of it all is, had the U.S. government not thwarted his plans, he might have just pulled it off. It's insanity. The bizarre true story of a bipolar megalomaniac's insane plan for total world domination.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
Available now on Amazon and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
Bailout is a psychological true crime thriller that pits a narcissistic conman against an egotistical pathological liar. Marcus Shrinker, the money manager who attempted to fake his own death during the 2008 financial crisis, is about to be released from prison, and he's ready to talk. He's ready to tell you the story no one's heard.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
Shrinker sits down with true crime writer Matthew B. Cox, a fellow inmate serving time for bank fraud. Shrinkert lays out the details.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
The disgruntled clients who persecuted him for unanticipated market losses, the affair that ruined his marriage, and the treachery of his scorned wife, the woman who framed him for securities fraud, leaving him no choice but to make a bogus distress call and plunge from his multi-million dollar private aircraft in the dead of night.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
the $11.1 million in life insurance, the missing $1.5 million in gold. The fact is, Shrinker wants you to think he's innocent. The problem is, Cox knows Shrinker's a pathological liar and his story's a fabrication. As Cox subtly coaxes, cajoles, and, yes, cons Shrinker into revealing his deceptions, his stranger-than-fiction life of lies slowly unravels.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Cybercrime King's Final Words Before Prison
This is the story Shrinker didn't want you to know. Bailout, The Life and Lies of Marcus Schrenker. Available now on Barnes & Noble, Etsy, and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Crime Stories Gone Wrong: Meet the Worst Dealer in America
Buried by the U.S. government and ignored by the national media, this is the story they don't want you to know. When Frank Amedeo met with President George W. Bush at the White House to discuss NATO operations in Afghanistan, no one knew that he'd already embezzled nearly $200 million from the federal government. money he intended to use to bankroll his plan to take over the world.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Crime Stories Gone Wrong: Meet the Worst Dealer in America
From Amadeo's global headquarters in the shadow of Florida's Disney World, with a nearly inexhaustible supply of the Internal Revenue Service's funds, Amadeo acquired multiple businesses, amassing a mega conglomerate. Driven by his delusions of world conquest, he negotiated the purchase of a squadron of American fighter jets and the controlling interest in a former Soviet ICBM factory.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Crime Stories Gone Wrong: Meet the Worst Dealer in America
He began working to build the largest private militia on the planet, over one million Africans strong. Simultaneously, Amadeo hired an international black ops force to orchestrate a coup in the Congo while plotting to take over several small Eastern European countries. The most disturbing part of it all is, had the U.S. government not thwarted his plans, he might have just pulled it off.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Crime Stories Gone Wrong: Meet the Worst Dealer in America
It's insanity. The bizarre true story of a bipolar megalomaniac's insane plan for total world domination. Available now on Amazon and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Crime Stories Gone Wrong: Meet the Worst Dealer in America
Bailout is a psychological true crime thriller that pits a narcissistic conman against an egotistical pathological liar. Marcus Shrinker, the money manager who attempted to fake his own death during the 2008 financial crisis, is about to be released from prison, and he's ready to talk. He's ready to tell you the story no one's heard.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Crime Stories Gone Wrong: Meet the Worst Dealer in America
Shrinker sits down with true crime writer Matthew B. Cox, a fellow inmate serving time for bank fraud. Shrinkert lays out the details.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Crime Stories Gone Wrong: Meet the Worst Dealer in America
The disgruntled clients who persecuted him for unanticipated market losses, the affair that ruined his marriage, and the treachery of his scorned wife, the woman who framed him for securities fraud, leaving him no choice but to make a bogus distress call and plunge from his multimillion-dollar private aircraft in the dead of night.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Crime Stories Gone Wrong: Meet the Worst Dealer in America
the $11.1 million in life insurance, the missing $1.5 million in gold. The fact is, Shrinker wants you to think he's innocent. The problem is, Cox knows Shrinker's a pathological liar and his story's a fabrication. As Cox subtly coaxes, cajoles, and, yes, cons Shrinker into revealing his deceptions, his stranger-than-fiction life of lies slowly unravels.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Crime Stories Gone Wrong: Meet the Worst Dealer in America
This is the story Shrinker didn't want you to know. Bailout, The Life and Lies of Marcus Schrenker. Available now on Barnes & Noble, Etsy, and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Undercover ATF Agent Buys Illegal Firearms | The World of Gun Trafficking
Buried by the U.S. government and ignored by the national media, this is the story they don't want you to know. When Frank Amedeo met with President George W. Bush at the White House to discuss NATO operations in Afghanistan, no one knew that he'd already embezzled nearly $200 million from the federal government.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Undercover ATF Agent Buys Illegal Firearms | The World of Gun Trafficking
money he intended to use to bankroll his plan to take over the world from amadeo's global headquarters in the shadow of florida's disney world with a nearly inexhaustible supply of the internal revenue services funds amadeo acquired multiple businesses amassing a mega conglomerate
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Undercover ATF Agent Buys Illegal Firearms | The World of Gun Trafficking
Driven by his delusions of world conquest, he negotiated the purchase of a squadron of American fighter jets and the controlling interest in a former Soviet ICBM factory. He began working to build the largest private militia on the planet, over one million Africans strong. Simultaneously,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Undercover ATF Agent Buys Illegal Firearms | The World of Gun Trafficking
Amadeo hired an international black ops force to orchestrate a coup in the Congo while plotting to take over several small Eastern European countries. The most disturbing part of it all is, had the U.S. government not thwarted his plans, he might have just pulled it off. It's insanity. The bizarre true story of a bipolar megalomaniac's insane plan for total world domination.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Undercover ATF Agent Buys Illegal Firearms | The World of Gun Trafficking
Available now on Amazon and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Undercover ATF Agent Buys Illegal Firearms | The World of Gun Trafficking
Marcus Shrinker, the money manager who attempted to fake his own death during the 2008 financial crisis, is about to be released from prison, and he's ready to talk. He's ready to tell you the story no one's heard. Shrinker sits down with true crime writer Matthew B. Cox, a fellow inmate serving time for bank fraud. Shrinkert lays out the details.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Undercover ATF Agent Buys Illegal Firearms | The World of Gun Trafficking
The disgruntled clients who persecuted him for unanticipated market losses, the affair that ruined his marriage, and the treachery of his scorned wife, the woman who framed him for securities fraud, leaving him no choice but to make a bogus distress call and plunge from his multi-million dollar private aircraft in the dead of night.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Undercover ATF Agent Buys Illegal Firearms | The World of Gun Trafficking
the $11.1 million in life insurance, the missing $1.5 million in gold. The fact is, Shrinker wants you to think he's innocent. The problem is, Cox knows Shrinker's a pathological liar and his story's a fabrication. As Cox subtly coaxes, cajoles, and, yes, cons Shrinker into revealing his deceptions, his stranger-than-fiction life of lies slowly unravels.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Undercover ATF Agent Buys Illegal Firearms | The World of Gun Trafficking
This is the story Shrinker didn't want you to know. Bailout, The Life and Lies of Marcus Schrenker. Available now on Barnes & Noble, Etsy, and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How Jesse Crossen Transformed His Life After A 32 Years Prison Sentence
Buried by the U.S. government and ignored by the national media, this is the story they don't want you to know. When Frank Amedeo met with President George W. Bush at the White House to discuss NATO operations in Afghanistan, no one knew that he'd already embezzled nearly $200 million from the federal government. money he intended to use to bankroll his plan to take over the world.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How Jesse Crossen Transformed His Life After A 32 Years Prison Sentence
From Amadeo's global headquarters in the shadow of Florida's Disney World, with a nearly inexhaustible supply of the Internal Revenue Service's funds, Amadeo acquired multiple businesses, amassing a mega conglomerate. Driven by his delusions of world conquest, he negotiated the purchase of a squadron of American fighter jets and the controlling interest in a former Soviet ICBM factory.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How Jesse Crossen Transformed His Life After A 32 Years Prison Sentence
He began working to build the largest private militia on the planet, over 1 million Africans strong. Simultaneously, Amadeo hired an international black ops force to orchestrate a coup in the Congo while plotting to take over several small Eastern European countries. The most disturbing part of it all is, had the U.S. government not thwarted his plans, he might have just pulled it off.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How Jesse Crossen Transformed His Life After A 32 Years Prison Sentence
It's insanity. The bizarre true story of a bipolar megalomaniac's insane plan for total world domination. Available now on Amazon and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How Jesse Crossen Transformed His Life After A 32 Years Prison Sentence
Bailout is a psychological true crime thriller that pits a narcissistic conman against an egotistical pathological liar. Marcus Shrinker, the money manager who attempted to fake his own death during the 2008 financial crisis, is about to be released from prison, and he's ready to talk. He's ready to tell you the story no one's heard.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How Jesse Crossen Transformed His Life After A 32 Years Prison Sentence
Shrinker sits down with true crime writer Matthew B. Cox, a fellow inmate serving time for bank fraud.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How Jesse Crossen Transformed His Life After A 32 Years Prison Sentence
shrinker lays out the details the disgruntled clients who persecuted him for unanticipated market losses the affair that ruined his marriage and the treachery of his scorned wife the woman who framed him for securities fraud leaving him no choice but to make a bogus distress call and plunge from his multi-million dollar private aircraft in the dead of night
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How Jesse Crossen Transformed His Life After A 32 Years Prison Sentence
the $11.1 million in life insurance, the missing $1.5 million in gold. The fact is, Shrinker wants you to think he's innocent. The problem is, Cox knows Shrinker's a pathological liar and his story's a fabrication. As Cox subtly coaxes, cajoles, and, yes, cons Shrinker into revealing his deceptions, his stranger-than-fiction life of lies slowly unravels.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How Jesse Crossen Transformed His Life After A 32 Years Prison Sentence
This is the story Shrinker didn't want you to know. Bailout, The Life and Lies of Marcus Schrenker. Available now on Barnes & Noble, Etsy, and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
Same, same. I fight it to this day.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
you're a fucked up individual.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
Buried by the U.S. government and ignored by the national media, this is the story they don't want you to know. When Frank Amedeo met with President George W. Bush at the White House to discuss NATO operations in Afghanistan, no one knew that he'd already embezzled nearly $200 million from the federal government. money he intended to use to bankroll his plan to take over the world.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
From Amadeo's global headquarters in the shadow of Florida's Disney World, with a nearly inexhaustible supply of the Internal Revenue Service's funds, Amadeo acquired multiple businesses, amassing a mega conglomerate. Driven by his delusions of world conquest, he negotiated the purchase of a squadron of American fighter jets and the controlling interest in a former Soviet ICBM factory.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
He began working to build the largest private militia on the planet, over one million Africans strong. Simultaneously, Amadeo hired an international black ops force to orchestrate a coup in the Congo while plotting to take over several small Eastern European countries. The most disturbing part of it all is, had the U.S. government not thwarted his plans, he might have just pulled it off.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
It's insanity. The bizarre true story of a bipolar megalomaniac's insane plan for total world domination. Available now on Amazon and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
Marcus Shrinker, the money manager who attempted to fake his own death during the 2008 financial crisis, is about to be released from prison, and he's ready to talk. He's ready to tell you the story no one's heard. Shrinker sits down with true crime writer Matthew B. Cox, a fellow inmate serving time for bank fraud. Shrinker lays out the details.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
The disgruntled clients who persecuted him for unanticipated market losses, the affair that ruined his marriage, and the treachery of his scorned wife, the woman who framed him for securities fraud, leaving him no choice but to make a bogus distress call and plunge from his multimillion-dollar private aircraft in the dead of night.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
The $11.1 million in life insurance, the missing $1.5 million in gold. The fact is, Shrinker wants you to think he's innocent. The problem is Cox knows Shrinker's a pathological liar and his story's a fabrication. As Cox subtly coaxes, cajoles, and yes, cons Shrinker into revealing his deceptions, his stranger-than-fiction life of lies slowly unravels.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
This is the story Shrinker didn't want you to know. Bailout. The Life and Lies of Marcus Shrinker. Available now on Barnes & Noble, Etsy, and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
I haven't been sentenced yet.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
But he was just a hate pill. And he would cocks. And I'd be like, oh, Christ. Yeah, Kenny, what's up? Go talk to that guy over there. Why?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
Because he would say, he'd go, he says he's here for fraud.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
One, 18.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
That's it?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
First of all...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
Not a thing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
Who would do that?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
FBI’s Most Wanted Cybercriminal Exposes Today’s Biggest Scams
Yeah.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How He Pulled Off a $17 Million Robbery | The Loomis Fargo Bank Heist
Buried by the U.S. government and ignored by the national media, this is the story they don't want you to know. When Frank Amedeo met with President George W. Bush at the White House to discuss NATO operations in Afghanistan, no one knew that he'd already embezzled nearly $200 million from the federal government. money he intended to use to bankroll his plan to take over the world.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How He Pulled Off a $17 Million Robbery | The Loomis Fargo Bank Heist
From Amadeo's global headquarters in the shadow of Florida's Disney World, with a nearly inexhaustible supply of the Internal Revenue Service's funds, Amadeo acquired multiple businesses, amassing a mega conglomerate. Driven by his delusions of world conquest, he negotiated the purchase of a squadron of American fighter jets and the controlling interest in a former Soviet ICBM factory.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How He Pulled Off a $17 Million Robbery | The Loomis Fargo Bank Heist
He began working to build the largest private militia on the planet, over 1 million Africans strong. Simultaneously, Amadeo hired an international black ops force to orchestrate a coup in the Congo while plotting to take over several small Eastern European countries. The most disturbing part of it all is, had the U.S. government not thwarted his plans, he might have just pulled it off.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How He Pulled Off a $17 Million Robbery | The Loomis Fargo Bank Heist
It's insanity. The bizarre true story of a bipolar megalomaniac's insane plan for total world domination. Available now on Amazon and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How He Pulled Off a $17 Million Robbery | The Loomis Fargo Bank Heist
Marcus Shrinker, the money manager who attempted to fake his own death during the 2008 financial crisis, is about to be released from prison, and he's ready to talk. He's ready to tell you the story no one's heard. Shrinker sits down with true crime writer Matthew B. Cox, a fellow inmate serving time for bank fraud. Shrinker lays out the details.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How He Pulled Off a $17 Million Robbery | The Loomis Fargo Bank Heist
The disgruntled clients who persecuted him for unanticipated market losses, the affair that ruined his marriage, and the treachery of his scorned wife, the woman who framed him for securities fraud, leaving him no choice but to make a bogus distress call and plunge from his multi-million dollar private aircraft in the dead of night.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How He Pulled Off a $17 Million Robbery | The Loomis Fargo Bank Heist
the $11.1 million in life insurance, the missing $1.5 million in gold. The fact is, Shrinker wants you to think he's innocent. The problem is, Cox knows Shrinker's a pathological liar and his story's a fabrication. As Cox subtly coaxes, cajoles, and, yes, cons Shrinker into revealing his deceptions, his stranger-than-fiction life of lies slowly unravels.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
How He Pulled Off a $17 Million Robbery | The Loomis Fargo Bank Heist
This is the story Shrinker didn't want you to know. Bailout, The Life and Lies of Marcus Schrenker. Available now on Barnes & Noble, Etsy, and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Minds of Psychopaths: Wild Stories from an ATF Agent
Buried by the U.S. government and ignored by the national media, this is the story they don't want you to know. When Frank Amedeo met with President George W. Bush at the White House to discuss NATO operations in Afghanistan, no one knew that he'd already embezzled nearly $200 million from the federal government. money he intended to use to bankroll his plan to take over the world.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Minds of Psychopaths: Wild Stories from an ATF Agent
From Amadeo's global headquarters in the shadow of Florida's Disney World, with a nearly inexhaustible supply of the Internal Revenue Service's funds, Amadeo acquired multiple businesses, amassing a mega conglomerate. Driven by his delusions of world conquest, he negotiated the purchase of a squadron of American fighter jets and the controlling interest in a former Soviet ICBM factory.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Minds of Psychopaths: Wild Stories from an ATF Agent
He began working to build the largest private militia on the planet, over one million Africans strong. Simultaneously, Amadeo hired an international black ops force to orchestrate a coup in the Congo while plotting to take over several small Eastern European countries. The most disturbing part of it all is, had the U.S. government not thwarted his plans, he might have just pulled it off.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Minds of Psychopaths: Wild Stories from an ATF Agent
It's insanity. The bizarre true story of a bipolar megalomaniac's insane plan for total world domination. Available now on Amazon and Audible.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Picasso of Thieves: Secrets of an Art Heist Genius
Pierre Rossini, in the 1990s, was a 20-something-year-old Los Angeles-based drug trafficker of ecstasy and ice. He and his associates drove luxury European supercars, lived in Beverly Hills penthouses, and dated Playboy models while dodging federal indictments. Then, two FBI officers with the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force entered the picture.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Picasso of Thieves: Secrets of an Art Heist Genius
Dirty agents willing to fix cases and identify informants. Suddenly, two of Rossini's associates, confidential informants working with federal law enforcement, were murdered. Everyone pointed to Rossini. As his co-defendants prepared for trial, U.S. Attorney Robert Mueller sat down to debrief Rossini at Leavenworth Penitentiary.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Picasso of Thieves: Secrets of an Art Heist Genius
And another story emerged, a tale of FBI corruption and complicity in murder. You see, Pierre Rossini knew something that no one else knew.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Picasso of Thieves: Secrets of an Art Heist Genius
truth and robert miller and the federal government have been covering it up to this very day devil exposed a twisted tale of drug trafficking corruption and murder in the city of angels available on amazon and audible so there's it's funny there's a lot of good guys in there actually there's a lot of good guys that but it's seriously there are a lot of good guys but there's a lot of people that you're just like wow like it bothers me that you're going to get out of here at some point
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Picasso of Thieves: Secrets of an Art Heist Genius
Buried by the U.S. government and ignored by the national media, this is the story they don't want you to know. When Frank Amedeo met with President George W. Bush at the White House to discuss NATO operations in Afghanistan, no one knew that he'd already embezzled nearly $200 million from the federal government. money he intended to use to bankroll his plan to take over the world.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Picasso of Thieves: Secrets of an Art Heist Genius
From Amadeo's global headquarters in the shadow of Florida's Disney World, with a nearly inexhaustible supply of the Internal Revenue Service's funds, Amadeo acquired multiple businesses, amassing a mega conglomerate. Driven by his delusions of world conquest, he negotiated the purchase of a squadron of American fighter jets and the controlling interest in a former Soviet ICBM factory.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Picasso of Thieves: Secrets of an Art Heist Genius
He began working to build the largest private militia on the planet, over 1 million Africans strong. Simultaneously, Amadeo hired an international black ops force to orchestrate a coup in the Congo while plotting to take over several small Eastern European countries. The most disturbing part of it all is, had the U.S. government not thwarted his plans, he might have just pulled it off.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
The Picasso of Thieves: Secrets of an Art Heist Genius
It's insanity. The bizarre true story of a bipolar megalomaniac's insane plan for total world domination. Available now on Amazon and Audible.