Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Ex-Mafia Enforcer Breaks Silence: The Brutal Truth About the Mob
Wed, 29 Jan 2025
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Chapter 1: What bank scam did Sal Polisi get involved in?
I got involved in a bank scam that was huge. Like, I only got maybe, say, a million, two million. The guys who got the money was the vice president of the bank. They got 80 million. So they busted the vice president, and they forgot about my million dollars. I see all the jurors getting in the limousine. The next morning, I went up to the prosecutor. Are you guys morons or what?
Chapter 2: How did John Gotti manipulate the legal system?
You got all the jurors riding in the limousine. You don't think John Gotti's going to reach one of those jurors? He's going to pay off. A juror, a bridegroom, and he's going to win this case. They say, Sal, you're looking at too much television. And that's exactly what happened. I predicted it. And of course, years later, Sammy the Bull told the story. That's exactly what they did.
They paid off a witness, 60 Gs, and Gotti became a superstar. One time I hijacked the truck and brought it to Jimmy. We went into the building. He said, I'll give you $72,000. And I go, wait a minute, let's think about this. Let me call Dom. I called Dom in the company. He came back down. In an hour, Jimmy said, okay, I'll give you $90,000. I go, we were hijacking so many trucks.
Chapter 3: What was the significance of the Sinatra Club?
We would get information from the guys who worked at Kennedy Airport. We hijacked a truck full of Italian shoes. When I got it over to Jimmy Burke, I would call up. He said, come over quickly. You got a problem. Got the guy coming. The Jewish guys come to look at these beautiful Italian shoes. You got a problem. I go, what's the problem? You got 8,000 pairs of shoes, but they're all left.
Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be doing an interview with Salvatore Polissi and Adrian Martinez. It's going to be a super interesting interview. Adrian's going to be helping me out. He knows all about Sal, and so it's going to be about an hour interview, so I appreciate you guys watching. Check out the interview. So where were you born? Was this in New York, New Jersey?
Brooklyn, New York. And I had an Italian family. I had an uncle that was deeply entrenched in the mob. Actually, my uncle and I think the guy that was my father, because I'm not sure. My uncle might have been my father. My father might not have been my father.
But in the late 20s, 29, 30, like a couple of years before, you know, Prohibition ended, they were driving a horse and wagon from Long Island, bringing bulls up to New York City. So they were 20, 21 years old, involved in crime. And they knew all these criminals. So my uncle Tony stayed with crime his whole life because he was a gambler.
He was a swashbuckling, you know, high energy guy who drove fancy cars, pinky diamond rings, beautiful women. And eventually in the 60s, he got involved with a guy named Sonny Franzese. A lot of people knew who he was.
That's Michael Francis is right.
Right. Michael. I met Michael in 78 after he got made, shook his hand, didn't see him. Oh, my God. Until 2013, we did a show for National Geographic together and they trucked us around the limousine. And, you know, I said, Michael, I go, Michael, you realize you were royalty. I was in the street. You didn't have to do what I did. You didn't rob no banks. White collar crimes. Yeah. Yeah.
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Chapter 4: How did Sal's criminal activities escalate over time?
You know, Michael was very smart, very shrewd. So, you know, you never know who you're going to meet. And then 30, 40 years later, you meet him again or you read about.
Yeah.
So I started out with my uncle in a gambling operation. From there, I got involved with a guy who came out of prison that was close to Carmine Persico's name was little Dom Dominic Cataldo. And he was the hit man. So the thing about Cataldo was his dad and my uncles and dad, they all knew each other in the 30s. So instantly, that's what gives you credibility, family.
And I got involved with him and he taught me the ropes. I mean, I used to watch him do hijackings. I wasn't allowed to go near the truck. I would just go to the building where they unloaded the truck. And when they unloaded the truck, I met a guy who I thought was really clever. And his name was Jimmy Burke, which was the same guy that De Niro played. And believe me, I love Jimmy Burke.
He was smart. He was smarter than Scorsese painted him. He was slick. I mean, he was a gangster's gangsta. He was a great guy. One time I hijacked the truck and brought it to Jimmy. We went into the building. He said, I'll give you $72,000. I don't remember. It was like South American coats, women's coats. And I go, wait a minute. Let's think about this. Let me call Dom.
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Chapter 5: What led Sal to testify against the mob?
I called Dom in the company. He came back down. In an hour, Jimmy said, OK, I'll give you $90,000. He upped it 18, just like that. So he was the guy who was sharp. He would play the cards. I mean, you know, try to get over on buying stuff because he knew it was stolen. And we did well together. Eventually, I was in jail with him. I knew his wife, Mickey.
They had guards in the penitentiary that were corrupt. I knew his daughter, Kathy. His son, Frankie, worked for me. He was a car thief. So I knew the family. We were like thick as thieves. That's what they said.
Yeah, no, I mean, so Sal, you really, at the beginning, just started off with gambling, and then eventually it just led into more and more crimes and bank robberies, heists, and different stuff like that. And in the beginning of this interview, too, you talked about doing white-collar crimes. And, you know, that was that's what, you know, Matthew was involved with as well.
So, I mean, what what did that look like? Was that in the earlier years as well? I'm assuming that was that was the later years.
I left New York City. I had a million dollars and I went upstate New York about 100 miles. I built the racetrack. I actually had two stock car races. I spent about a million dollars in three years. Then I was property for broke. So I went back and said, I'll take a shot. Uh, I'll sell cocaine because cocaine in 80, 81, 82 was really hot. It was insured.
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Chapter 6: How did Sal adjust to life after the mob?
You know, it was the drug of choice and I got busted. So the cocaine. So, I mean, at that point, how'd you get busted? Uh, you know, I got caught with my hand and cookie jar. I had a little blonde girl selling coke for me. You know, they caught her. They,
they rung her out, they flipped her, and she told them who was giving her the coke, and oh my god, this guy's on the triangle up there in Queens with all the other mob guys. But at that point, that was like 84, right around that time I had done a few computer crimes. One of them happened to be in competition with Gotti, he didn't know it, but I got involved in a bank scam that was huge, like
I only got maybe, say, a million, two million. The guys who got the money was the vice president of the bank. They got 80 million. So they busted the vice president, and they forgot about my million dollars. That was like 1982. Well, when I flipped with the FBI, I met a guy. I said, what do you do? You're an agent. I'll never forget it. His name was Peyton.
And I thought of Walter Payne because he was black. So I do bank frauds and paper crimes. They go, really? Like what kind of bank frauds? I said, you ever hear of the chemical bank where the $80 million was? He's go, yeah. Did you get all the money? Because I was the cooperating witness at the point. He said, we got all of it, but about a million. I go, oh.
I said, did you know that that Joel D. Cohen, the coin dealer, moved that million? He said, how would you know that? He got all lustered. He was guarding me, and my agent came in and says, come here, take a walk with me. He says, don't ever talk about that again. We're going to forget you've mentioned it. But I was very egotistical back to those days.
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Chapter 7: What lessons did Sal learn from his time in prison?
I'd just go up there, tell the Fed, say, look, I got raised a million. And by the way, Dottie was involved in that, and he was ripping off the guy who could move the money. He was only giving him 10 or 15%. When I met the guy, I said, look, I'll give you 50% of the money that you move from that bank to my bank. That's amazing. So I gave him 50%.
Then we made like, you know, a million, a million and a half feet. That was the first time I did any paper crime. That's what I called it. It wasn't like a violent crime. It was a fun crime. But it wasn't like a crime that I got excited. I got excited with the gun. Jumping out. Running toward a truck or robbing a bank or something like that.
I learned that you could make a lot of money in the 80s with the stock market and all that kind of stuff. But it didn't excite me. So once I flipped and left, I went and found other things and how to make money legitimately. And boy, oh boy, did I have a run. I haven't told anybody those stories, but maybe this year we'll start letting some of that out.
Well, I mean, going back to like when you were, you said you were a teenager and you When did you first start getting into basically working with the mob? At what age? We just jumped. We just did a huge mob year jump.
When I was 20, which was 1965, I was 20 years old in 1965. My uncle had a gambling operation, so he taught me gambling in New York. In those days, there was no lotto. There was no off track betting, you know. So the mob had like a license. You know, you had bookmaking and then you had loan sharking and they had numbers.
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Chapter 8: What are the challenges of being a mob informant?
Once the city and the state started to change all that, the mob lost their power. But they didn't want to admit that. So in my 20s, I got involved with my uncle, which led me to this guy Catalgo, Dominic Catalgo. He was a professional killer, hitman, and he was a con. He was a con artist because he became a made guy on the Carmine Persico.
So by the time I was 22, 23, I was under his wing and I was spoken for. In those days... the boss would know this was after Joe Colombo got shot, which was 72. The boss would know who was with that family. And I was officially with the Colombo's, even though I jockeyed back and forth with John Gotti, which was Gambino's. I was officially listed with the Colombo. So Gotti had no power over me.
I just had to walk a fine line because he was an interesting guy. You know, he is, He wouldn't take any crap from anybody. But I played with him, and he played with me. He was a lot brighter than most people think.
Oh, yeah. To be a boss of a crime family, hell yeah. I mean, those guys said it'd be geniuses. I mean, in the wrong field. But you know what I mean? You have to be really smart to be a boss of one of them.
So I started to do all that stuff, you know, in my 20s. By the time I got, of course, by the time I was 26, my uncle had gone away for bank robbery with Sonny Franzese. They were on this national bank robbery investigation. And it was my dream to rob a bank. So I did rob a bank with two older guys, a single book. One guy was funny. They were both in their 60s.
And these guys had been released from Alcatraz. And one guy said, look, we don't have a lot of time to rob the bank because I got diverticulitis. And the other guy said, what the hell do you care? He said, I got colitis. So one guy couldn't take a shit. The other guy was shitting all day long. And they couldn't jump over the counter. So we were like a comedic three stooges.
And I ran in there, leaped over the counter, 26, scooped up the money. And I eventually learned a lot from them and moved on because, you know, all they could do is hold guns on everybody in the bank. And, you know, I wanted more than just $26,000. That was the first bank. After that, I hit them for $70,000, $80,000. And in those days, Matthew, no camera, no... Plastic glass, plexiglass, okay?
No armed guards in banks. And by the way, nobody used credit cards in 1970s, 70s, 71s. They used like Diners Club or something, you know? So there was one thing in the bank. And they asked, why do you rob banks? Because that's where the money is. And that's what I laughed all the way. You know, we did some tricky stuff.
Matthew, I don't know if you guys recently seen, there was in the news, they had this, maybe like a few days ago, they had posted, there was mafia guys in New York, like associates of the Lucchese family, they went and tried to rob a bank, or not a bank, but a jewelry store, and what had happened was, They all got busted, literally. I think the next day they had phone calls.
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