Frank Dobbin

And whenever the economy is in bad straits, it's relatively easy to get people to come out and identify a foe and essentially lay blame to some particular group. So I think what we're seeing here is that it's been very easy for people on the right to...

And whenever the economy is in bad straits, it's relatively easy to get people to come out and identify a foe and essentially lay blame to some particular group. So I think what we're seeing here is that it's been very easy for people on the right to...

demonize immigrants and people of color as causing either problems in the American economy, in the case of people of color, and problems in the labor market, that is, they're stealing your jobs and eating your cats and dogs, in the case of immigrants.

demonize immigrants and people of color as causing either problems in the American economy, in the case of people of color, and problems in the labor market, that is, they're stealing your jobs and eating your cats and dogs, in the case of immigrants.

demonize immigrants and people of color as causing either problems in the American economy, in the case of people of color, and problems in the labor market, that is, they're stealing your jobs and eating your cats and dogs, in the case of immigrants.

But also, we've seen that in the past, when civil rights groups get some wins, it often agitates white people who are on the right end of the spectrum. And so what we saw was, I think, the resurgence of the Black Lives Matter movement after the murder of George Floyd in 2020. And the response to that was... a very organized social movement, the reactivation of the Proud Boys.

But also, we've seen that in the past, when civil rights groups get some wins, it often agitates white people who are on the right end of the spectrum. And so what we saw was, I think, the resurgence of the Black Lives Matter movement after the murder of George Floyd in 2020. And the response to that was... a very organized social movement, the reactivation of the Proud Boys.

But also, we've seen that in the past, when civil rights groups get some wins, it often agitates white people who are on the right end of the spectrum. And so what we saw was, I think, the resurgence of the Black Lives Matter movement after the murder of George Floyd in 2020. And the response to that was... a very organized social movement, the reactivation of the Proud Boys.

a lot of right-wing extremist groups, white nationalist groups, gained membership. And also, we saw some support from Trump and his allies for those groups. So, you know, I think the pendulum often swings back and forth when it comes to support for anti-DEI or anti-equality of opportunity groups and pro-DEI, pro-equality of opportunity groups.

a lot of right-wing extremist groups, white nationalist groups, gained membership. And also, we saw some support from Trump and his allies for those groups. So, you know, I think the pendulum often swings back and forth when it comes to support for anti-DEI or anti-equality of opportunity groups and pro-DEI, pro-equality of opportunity groups.

a lot of right-wing extremist groups, white nationalist groups, gained membership. And also, we saw some support from Trump and his allies for those groups. So, you know, I think the pendulum often swings back and forth when it comes to support for anti-DEI or anti-equality of opportunity groups and pro-DEI, pro-equality of opportunity groups.

I do think that as you suggest, this is just a different moment.

I do think that as you suggest, this is just a different moment.

I do think that as you suggest, this is just a different moment.

Well, we know from the research on social movements and especially social movements targeting corporations that they are pretty effective. It's not really the economic pain that matters so much. It's the optics. It's what will this look like to our clients, to our potential investors. I think we're in an unusual moment now, though, where –

Well, we know from the research on social movements and especially social movements targeting corporations that they are pretty effective. It's not really the economic pain that matters so much. It's the optics. It's what will this look like to our clients, to our potential investors. I think we're in an unusual moment now, though, where –

Well, we know from the research on social movements and especially social movements targeting corporations that they are pretty effective. It's not really the economic pain that matters so much. It's the optics. It's what will this look like to our clients, to our potential investors. I think we're in an unusual moment now, though, where –

The person in charge of the country is siding with people who used to be considered fringe right-wing activists who are favoring white nationalism. So I do think that CEOs are going to struggle to figure out what the best – solution to this is. So some of this stuff, the right-wing activism, really started before Trump came to office.

The person in charge of the country is siding with people who used to be considered fringe right-wing activists who are favoring white nationalism. So I do think that CEOs are going to struggle to figure out what the best – solution to this is. So some of this stuff, the right-wing activism, really started before Trump came to office.

The person in charge of the country is siding with people who used to be considered fringe right-wing activists who are favoring white nationalism. So I do think that CEOs are going to struggle to figure out what the best – solution to this is. So some of this stuff, the right-wing activism, really started before Trump came to office.